Janeway Vs Mulgrew

[Janeway7trulv]

I came across a brilliant J/7 forum and was blown away by beautiful fun loving comments of the women members .Sadly they are now ex J/7 fans.

I say ex because the 70+ members have all deserted the room , so the posts have been few and far between..

Anyways whilst i was browsing with my nice cup of Tea and Dark Chocolate biscuits, I read detailed heartrending accounts of many bad experiences they had encountered when meeting Mulgrew . I had known for a very long time that Mulgrew to have an extreme dislike for lesbians(Thank god im one ), so it was no surprise to me

Im certainly "Team Janeway".. I admire Mulgrew's work , her intelligence , but can really say i would not like to have a friend or to have as a role model for any gay young women either out or about to come out

Anyways it leads to my question..

Who would you say you are and why ? "Team Janeway" or "Team Mulgrew"

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

EVERY KM group I'm on or have been on is full of lesbians (except this one) on a multitude of media platforms and they LOVE KM and post amazing stories of meeting KM and photos of themselves with KM and they have spent YEARS following the career of KM.

So, frankly, stop trying to stealth bash KM while acting like you are a fan. It's tedious and brings the tone of the place down into dailyfail gutters.

 

[Catarina]

Kate Mulgrew is often misunderstood. A woman brought up prolife vs choice in Dubuque and she looked so confused as to why people perceive her to dislike pro-choicers. She clarified she believes in the right to choose-not that she believes in standing behind abortion. Abortion just wasn't for her. She thinks it s a war on women and not about the fetus.

She believes in equal love and is flattered not threatened by gays.

Finally-team both because they are not whole without the other.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

I do not think Mulgrew has been misunderstood in the slightest-certainly in my opinion.Mulgrew has never been shy to relieve who she truly is and unfortunately , it doesnt always meet with a lot peoples approval

She believes in equal love and is flattered not threatened by gays.

I am glad you feel that way.I have read stories from soooo many people from the lesbian community and it is a complete contradictory to what you have stated . Many of the girls have voiced in detail their experiences when meeting Mulgrew and how she is extremely dismissive and rude. One woman went into detail about when she approached Mulgrew with her partner ( who was butch) and how Mulgrew was extremely dismissive and darn right rude towards her . This is just one of many cases i have heard about . Mulgrew has echoed this in past interviews and conventions. It has only been in the last couple of years she is " appeared" to give the impression she is pro everything in attempts to savage what gay fans left no doubt

On the flip side, Mulgrew has extraordinary ability to command and hold an audience. Her unprecedented intelligence , charisma and wit can be endearing . But the flip side of that can overshadow the beauty of it at times .

It is a common theme with actors who have be graced with the luck to play heroic characters. All to often the actors themselves proves to be a grave disappointment.

The same could be said of Ryan. After Voyager ended i read stories of her " Diva" episodes. One fan mentioned she had an encounter with her on a flight. I cannot remember the details.Another was at a convention and witnessed Ryan throw her dummy out of the pram ( not literally of course ) because some other stars photos was sold more than hers - or something like that .Apparently the same woman was pictured with Mulgrew a few weeks before .Ryan didn't like this woman at all

I have never been be a big admirer of Ryan. I thought she was a great edition to Voyager and absolutely adored the relationship she had with Mulgrew's Janeway . It was utterly wonderful and so very rich , but over the years she had reveal more of the true Ryan . I have sensed a little more of resentment . I find her to be so childlike and she is only a few years older than me. I also find her interviews/conventions very dry and boring ( again no mean to offended) and her over acting of playing the happy wife of Eme is a such contradiction to her conduct with her interview on Mulgrew.

In recent years since her marriage and having child she has become more resentful towards Mulgrew.I will say this though , her recent " throw Mulgrew under the bus" interview really turned me off her . It has most definitely contribution to the disintegration of the J/7 clan. They have deserted the two some trio in there droves. Not that Mulgrew/Ryan will give a shot of cause. They still have the C/J and the 7/C right?

Personally , I love the work Mulgrew has brought to us for over 40 + years- with an exception of a few ie; NTSF,Roots Mercy and of course I live with Models.

Finally-team both because they are not whole without the other.

Fair point - particularly the last part about "not being whole without the other" but If i was hard pushed to choose. It will be " Team Janeway".. Mulgrew I just wouldn't have her as a friend . I do not feel she or even Ryan is a good role model for lesbians and young women who have come out or coming out. Also because i know she would bring out the hulk in me(rwwoaaar) and im a humble woman who loves life and peace to all mankind

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Many of the girls have voiced in detail their experiences when meeting Mulgrew and how she is extremely dismissive and rude.

Not every Lesbian comes away from meeting Kate with a negative impression.

Snippets from a 7 page thread on the bbs.

Original poster

The luncheon was very nice. There weren't very many people in attendance, but the people we sat with were very neat to speak to. We had chicken. Some finalist from American Idol sang. Then, Kate came up.

Poignant, passionate, and sincere... Kate spoke of the caregiver that remained with her mother through to the end. It was a wonderful speech.

The chicken wasn't bad either.

After the luncheon, most people scattered to go to the rest of the events, but a few of us scooted up to the front. Kate remained there and was very gracious with us. She spoke, shook hands, and, when my partner asked very politely, agreed to a photo with me.

She was gracious. It's not a con photo, but I will treasure the experience. (If I break your monitor, you can't say I didn't warn you.)

Questioner
I`m so jealous, when you spoke to Kate afterwards did you speak only about Alzheimer's? No trek talk?

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No Trek talk. Really, it would have been in bad taste given where we were and why we were there. But, she was marvelous all the same.

Her voice... in person... could melt you with it's pure awesomesauceness, by the way.

Questioner#2

She's...aged almost isn't the right word for it. She looks as fabulous as she did back in the 90s, if not more so.

Original poster

She's always pretty much looked like she did when she started. I like to say she has a classic beauty like Kate Hepburn or Joan Crawford. I describe Kate as a handsome woman, but that happens to be my type.

Questioner#3

You both look totally awesome, in almost matching colours too. Iv got a thing for that shade of blue.

Dont you think Kate even more fits the part of an Admiral now! I think she could so easily slip back into the part of Kathryn Janeway, she just has that Aura about her.

It would be even more brilliant if the story had an link to the illness as well as Treky stuff.

Original poster

I'll link it if/when TK puts it up. But, I actually didn't mention Trek at all. I know... weird huh?

What kills me is that I'm wearing 2 1/2 inch heeled dress boots here, and Kate is wearing flats. She's really rather tall, which surprised me because she wore 3 inch heels on Voyager just so she wasn't tiny compared to the other people on set.

Can you imagine how tall all of those people are?!

Questioner#4

... I super enjoyed reading about your lunch and meeting with Kate. Thanks so much for writing about it. You look wonderful! And so does Kate, lol (of course). And yes on the aging.. what aging? Just looks a little regal with time

Original poster

Classic beauty is like a fine wine.

Kate's an really wonderful person full of energy. I was talking to Kate's webmaster, and she said that, if you have to walk with Kate, you have to walk really fast. She's one of those people... the kind that are energizer bunnies.

I think that's rather charming.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

Janewayrulez, You are referring to handful of people who state that Mulgrew was gracious. I am not saying that ALL the time she is not at all gracious ,but to us Lesbians she has been less than polite. I can drag up the detailed stories of each of them but im not about scoring points. I only deal with facts and i see no reason for more than a handful of them will deliberately discredit Mulgrew. After all they were huge fans.. But if you want proof their posts are still around on other forums.

Although Mulgrew will appreciate the ( or may not as the case maybe) lengths you have gone to immerse the stories. I think she pretty much did a good job of setting the stage from the beginning of what she is about .. That is who she is and as long as she is happy - than thats cool.. We are not liable to like every sectors of society, but as long as we are respectful than its all good. She has always been vocal and a massive body language give away in regards to lesbians , but hey im not overly offended. I was just simple zooming in on your post.

EDIT TO ADD : It is puzzling as to why she chose to be featured in OITNB.. It is far from the idea " in her book" environment for her to be involved in.. But again, i have my theories on that

As my topic raised is Janeway Vs Mulgrew. That is my take on it and i have to say Janewayrulez- given Mulgrew past interviews/conventions and detailed accounts from the EX J/7's im going to stand my girls 1000% .Nice try though

 

[Galekarens]

Like I said before, on "Fbook" there's a decently largish J/7 group, which is still currently active, and also KMulgrew groups where a number of female members identify themselves as gay, and while can't say for sure that 100% of them who've met KM have said she was nice to them, it's probably true that a great majority of them (more than a few) have had only good things to say about her when she interacted w/ her fans, gay, straight, whomever. So maybe in one internet group of less than 100 there's some older stories of KM supposedly not being gracious sometimes, but I can attest that there are other groups elsewhere of 100's of KM fans, intelligent and discerning people, who might well say otherwise. And if they had had bad experiences they'd say so.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I came across a brilliant J/7 forum and was blown away by beautiful fun loving comments of the women members .Sadly they are now ex J/7 fans.

Im certainly "Team Janeway".. I admire Mulgrew's work , her intelligence , but can really say i would not like to have a friend or to have as a role model for any gay young women either out or about to come out

It is a common theme with actors who have be graced with the luck to play heroic characters. All to often the actors themselves proves to be a grave disappointment.

The same could be said of Ryan. After Voyager ended i read stories of her " Diva" episodes. One fan mentioned she had an encounter with her on a flight.

I have never been be a big admirer of Ryan. I thought she was a great edition to Voyager and absolutely adored the relationship she had with Mulgrew's Janeway . It was utterly wonderful and so very rich , but over the years she had reveal more of the true Ryan . I have sensed a little more of resentment . I find her to be so childlike and she is only a few years older than me. I also find her interviews/conventions very dry and boring ...

...but If i was hard pushed to choose. It will be " Team Janeway".. Mulgrew I just wouldn't have her as a friend . I do not feel she or even Ryan is a good role model for lesbians and young women who have come out or coming out. Also because i know she would bring out the hulk in me(rwwoaaar) and im a humble woman who loves life and peace to all mankind

Janewayrulez, You are referring to handful of people who state that Mulgrew was gracious. I am not saying that ALL the time she is not at all gracious ,but to us Lesbians she has been less than polite.

Although Mulgrew will appreciate the ( or may not as the case maybe) lengths you have gone to immerse the stories. I think she pretty much did a good job of setting the stage from the beginning of what she is about .. That is who she is and as long as she is happy - than thats cool.. We are not liable to like every sectors of society, but as long as we are respectful than its all good. She has always been vocal and a massive body language give away in regards to lesbians , but hey im not overly offended. I was just simple zooming in on your post.

EDIT TO ADD : It is puzzling as to why she chose to be featured in OITNB.. It is far from the idea " in her book" environment for her to be involved in.. But again, i have my theories on that

As my topic raised is Janeway Vs Mulgrew. That is my take on it and i have to say Janewayrulez- given Mulgrew past interviews/conventions and detailed accounts from the EX J/7's im going to stand my girls 1000% .Nice try though

I am so confused.

If you DON'T like Mulgrew and you DON'T like Ryan, why in Tarturas did you spend your first few weeks on these boards fantasizing the two actresses together in "real" life?

And why would Kate's desire to be and be seen as a practicing heterosexual in real life prevent her from getting work on a show that has at least 5 out of 30 main characters who are lesbians and 1 main character who is a bisexual?

As for the lengths I have gone to re: bringing one lesbian and her partner's experience to this thread... I didn't cut and paste for Mulgrew. I did it for the original poster since I didn't have her permission to link that thread here, and didn't want to presume upon her good graces.

Hun, if you're right, Mulgrew will probably take those feelings to the grave.

Oh absolutely, Jeri too.. I have a tendency not to watch any of Jeri Ryan's interviews/convention clips, but i was kinda bored on the day and came across the 2014 convention where she appeared on stage with Garratt and he told her that he had spoke to Kate after a convention and how she expressed her regrets about how she treated Jeri.

I noticed Jeri tried to play it cool , (like she is over it and strong) but i could sense it was just a front and i truly believe she really cared/cares about Mulgrew and would have like things to have been great between them.
Despite the fact Mulgrew has a very fickle crazy conflicted personality, i think she is someone that Jeri needs. She is filled with wisdom ,experience and an ambiance of love.

When i watched Jeri's stage performance she appears to be childlike?( which was a surprise to me given she is in her 40s?) and oh that laugh. I didnt realise she has such an awful laugh.. Im sorry if any of you are offended , i didnt mean to be mean , but it just make me cringe.

Anyways , i think that in a weird kind of way Kate would be so good for her . I watched this clip where the two was interviewed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5b8EGQE1Xo and the way they talk about the characters - I love especially when Mulgrew said " They will be together and will always be together and support each other" Watch as she had a slight twinkle in her eye as she said that. Watch how Ryans voice becomes soft and loving when she says " The Captain".. Thats love my folks

There is no relationship. They are two actors who worked together 15 years ago. They didn't become friends just like they didn't become friends with people from every single other show they ever worked on, because not everyone in the world clicks. Meanwhile they went on to have great ON SCREEN chemistry in other shows with other people because they are ACTORS. You are projecting your feelings about two fictional characters onto real people and seemingly you put more weight on your fantasy than you do on what Mulgrew and Ryan have actually said. You don't know they have secret love feelings for each other, that is absolute nonsense.

Please let me hope and envision that one day in that imaginary bubble of mine that the heavens above will yet again shown them a sign that they are meant to be together throughout entirity and declare their undying love for it other Pleeeeeeeease<cries>

Seriously, maybe it is just my projection - but a darn good one at that. I still think their is something there .

As i said you have only to look at the scenes of them together to really smell that. I can also appreciate your stand point whereby they could just simply be so great at their craft - so good they are the first on this universe - that to master the art of mantipulating the heart and in doing so convey the passion in their eyes( and have them twinkle on cue) when they look at each other. That is possible too.

Either way , im glad that Mulgrew has found her place back in the limelight and has something that gives her some serenity . I cant say that im a fan of OITNB and dont really care to. I guess at the end of the day i just thought it will be nice for both Mulgrew and Ryan to call a truce and somehow try to make a go at forging a friendship.. Maybe they dont want to on the surface (too much damage has been done )but deep down i think they secretly relish in the idea. They are so similar in an odd way

You clearly oppose to the idea of them being anything more than just colleagues and my intention is not to offend in anyway . But whether its the acting or not.. Their is always something more that can excerbruate such intense passion and fire

This whole thread is weird. Who cares if two actors who worked together in the 90's like each other today? Why do they have to "get back together"? They weren't married.

I'm happy super J/7 girl but that has zero to do with the actors in 2015.

Okay it would be sweet to see Jeri Ryan in Litchfield. Can't think of any other reason it should matter. Both actors have worked with literally hundreds of people, there is no reason outside of weird fandom time bubbles that they should be friends.

Ouch! thats a little harsh Teacake.. I cannot help it if( like Garrett) i believe beneath all the provido of the two actors , that their is geunine love there and im a sucker for happy endings.. You are right, they are not married- but they could of been..Seriously though. I understand your view point . I am one of those who ( like so many other) witnessed an immense chemistry between them which goes wayyyy beyond their acting ability and feel it is a huge shame what could have been so beautiful become something so nasty .
I appreciate that most people who see their relationship as two egoisitical actors fighting for the spot light, i cant help to think it was a lot more to it than that..

What are you really mad about?

Are you mad at these two women for not being lesbians, or for not considering the possibilities of being lesbians?

I don't know the lady, but I suspect if people kept assuming she was a Republican just because Janeway carries a gun on Voyager, she'd get a little steamed about that too.

(She grew up in a "yellow dog" Democratic family, which means they would rather vote for a yellow dog rather than for a Republican)

Hell, if some recent tabloid speculations about ANOTHER star on OitNB is correct then one of your supposedly lesbian hating actress's closest friends on the set is a lesbian and has not only said loving things about Mulgrew but socializes with her frequently.

These actresses are normal human beings, they are not the characters they portray nor the characters viewers seeking their own subtexts wish they could portray.

Normal means that they can have bad days, they can be less than heroic, they can make bad choices, they can piss us off... JUST LIKE WE can piss them off.

Lorraine Toussaint has a wonderful story of a fan doing just that to her while Lorraine was out in a restaurant with her 10 year old daughter.

Again, as for the lengths I go for Mulgrew... it pales in the face of the lengths you go against her.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

Like I said before, on "Fbook" there's a decently largish J/7 group, which is still currently active, and also KMulgrew groups where a number of female members identify themselves as gay, and while can't say for sure that 100% of them who've met KM have said she was nice to them, it's probably true that a great majority of them (more than a few) have had only good things to say about her when she interacted w/ her fans, gay, straight, whomever. So maybe in one internet group of less than 100 there's some older stories of KM supposedly not being gracious sometimes, but I can attest that there are other groups elsewhere of 100's of KM fans, intelligent and discerning people, who might well say otherwise. And if they had had bad experiences they'd say so.

I wonder what group it is you refer to which" supposedly" had less than 100 women ? The ones that i have visited had a very large section of lesbian followers and have been advert followers since the very beginning and throughout the entire run of Voyager. These are well educated articulate and tremendously fun women who have no axe to grine . Of course you will have those who want to remain in the dark about it all and prefer to be silent so as not to rock the applecart -but the ones that haven't have spoken candidly about their experiences. Some of which was audacious behavior.

Back in the days of Voyager Mulgrew had received the most fan mails from women and it was reported that she said she hated/resented that . She was so insecure with it that in most of her conventions , she would insist on taking questions from men. She made several comments throughout the years expressing her disapproval of the lesbian community - whilst said in the coe fashion as she knows how

Now these ex J/7s i have spoke of are genuine women and not women engineered to give fans a false perception of the actor/actress. Their experiences alongside Mulgrew's own personal views does not doubt my girls .

It isn't my intention to make this a debate about Mulgrews homophobia towards lesbians. I am not faulting her for whom or what she likes and dislikes , but i do feel it is false representation to suggest she is anything but whom she has always been for over 40+ years . I understand people change but Mulgrew has always been Mulgrew - maybe with a little more romanticism about life , but at the very core, she is still that woman that had tremendous flaws like we all do and set in her ways .

Janeway has more dimensions to her - although she is just a character . I could envision her being years ahead of herself in regards of her outlook, views on all sectors of life

 

[K'Toska]

So is there any specific evidence of her disliking lesbians or is it her being in a bad mood sometimes? I've heard of really negative experiences of people meeting Leonard Nimoy. I've also heard of glowingly positive experiences. Does that mean he's an asshole overall? I have no idea. Sometimes people have their bad days, and celebrities don't seem to be immune to that.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

Hell, if some recent tabloid speculations about ANOTHER star on OitNB is correct then one of your supposedly lesbian hating actress's closest friends on the set is a lesbian and has not only said loving things about Mulgrew but socializes with her frequently.

WTF???..Run that by me again.. You lost me when you said one of my supposedly lesbian hating actresses closest friends on the the set ???.. Maybe you need to break it down for me ..

My previous post outlines the fact that the ex J/7 are geunine women and not engineered to make Mulgrew look good. Im not say this could be what one of my supposedly lesbian hating actresses????( still cannot get my head round that shit!) . Suffice to say - which i think i have gathered from that sentence. The woman works alongside Mulgrew - it is kinda the Ryan/Mulgrew syndrome back in the days when Voyager was in its full flow and Ryan/Mulgrew was singing each others praises only to find that years on they actually hated each other ..

I am not sure why you feel the need to express yourself in such aggressive and angry manner about it all . You have certainly have gone to such lengths to try to paint over the cracks and i commend you for that. Loyalty goes a long way in this world.

Just because i disagree with the false perception given to Mulgrew( that you desperately want to believe )does not in the slightest suggest that i dislike the woman. I do not have to agree with you to prove that at all . If that is what you feel than im sorry that i cannot work with blinkers on. I have not ever been that way inclined and will ever be. I have voiced the fact i appreciate her work and she has an extraordinary intelligence charisma and exceedingly funny. I cannot say that is an example of loathing Mulgrew??

In accordance with the topic at hand it was merely my reason for being " Team Janeway "

Edit to add

So is there any specific evidence of her disliking lesbians or is it her being in a bad mood sometimes? I've heard of really negative experiences of people meeting Leonard Nimoy. I've also heard of glowingly positive experiences. Does that mean he's an asshole overall? I have no idea. Sometimes people have their bad days, and celebrities don't seem to be immune to that.

Hiya Jadziadax

Of course not , We all have bad days . If you read my post, it has been on several occasions . This and a combination of years of verbal insinuations etc.

 

[K'Toska]

What verbal insinuations?

 

[Catarina]

I don't see a point holding her to things she said 10-20 years ago. She changes too. She was disconcerted a couple times when people brought up old tabloid interviews. It's clear somethings she meant in that moment don't hold a candle today.

Was she actually dismissive to the fact they were lesbians? Or just annoyed by how they are as people? She tries to be open. Everyone gets a clean slate ans by our actions she can quickly assess who she'll connect with and not and she's more straight forward than keeping to herself. Which could be taken deeply.
I suppose I am diminishing the possibility, but just tossing other perspectives on what I perceive. Yes, I am aware she performs even on conventions, be warned. She's no fool and yet it can all boil down to mood.


Personally, I think she needs to quit lying to herself. She doesn't gel with Jeri and tolerates Garrett but... and that's okay, but when she pleads for our understanding, I think it's because she incapable in that moment of dealing with our concerns/disapproval. She's seeking acceptance.
It's this back and forth thing that keeps people gossiping. "I like Jeri." Turns into "She's a sexy knock out. You'd have a problem too. You weren't given that plot line. She should learn to be on time. I don't have a relationship with the girl.No." her voice annoyed and eager to move on.
She also says she likes Garrett. Bull. I get the impression she tolerates. When she likes someone she throws her heart into them. Eager and inquisitive. She can't openly admit it. It's not good press.it could hurt us whom may like him. (Personally, I think he's shifty and can't be trusted)
You should have seen her body at Dubuque. She entertained a fans idea of a script until he said Garett told him personally to say she should read it. My friend who doesn't know of Mulgrew even whispered, "uh oh. The fan lost her." He should have lied and said Picardo. Lol!

She neglected to mention certain things in her book because it's not an exposè. But in my opinion she wants to be seen in the best light while revealing her vulnerbility and left out growth opportunity. Her book not mine. Which Omg, I'm so excited she's wanting to write a second one.

I'm just saying before I went off in a tangent is people who approach an alpha male or female with any insecurity could potentially obscure what actually happened to them.
It happened to me 7 years ago. I returned confident and I had a different experience. A very positive one.

 

[Janeway7trulv]

I don't see a point holding her to things she said 10-20 years ago. She changes too. She was disconcerted a couple times when people brought up old tabloid interviews. It's clear somethings she meant in that moment don't hold a candle today.

I always believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. I appreciate things can have been said or done in the heat of the moment. Certain actions/reactions can be a result of different factors - personal homelife etc. But this has not been the case and like i said it is on several occasions. I also read she had a webpage when she was doing Tea at Five and it was shut down and reason given was because of an encounter she had with a fan.. I mean woooo!.. Maybe the fan was acting inappropriately. I dunno , but an encounter.. That to me suggests she may have conversed verbally with them.. perhaps?

Like i said this conversation/debate -whatever you want to call is merely given as my reasons to why im Team Janeway . It has no doubt raffled a few feathers and that cannot be helped , im afraid. I will not pander to anyone's frigid state of mind on the subject of Mulgrew. It is what it is and i have always been straight- I mean Gay about these things

Was she actually dismissive to the fact they were lesbians? Or just annoyed by how they are as people? She tries to be open.

I think the poster would take offense given the fact she had no cause to give Mulgrew any indication she was acting on towards or being disrespectful . She apparently accommodated her partner to the convention . According to her when her partner introduced her to Mulgrew , she was met with such disregard. Her Partner was a real trooper though. She just took it on the chin . Good on her

Everyone gets a clean slate ans by our actions she can quickly assess who she'll connect with and not and she's more straight forward than keeping to herself. Which could be taken deeply.

Well she certainly doesn't connect with women who have shaved hair styles and wears over-sided suits

I suppose I am diminishing the possibility, but just tossing other perspectives on what I perceive

I am sure you are and your concerns have been put across both diplomatic and eloquently , i may add. Like i said i did not raise to topic to completely and utterly slater Mulgrew. Ryan had pretty much covered that .I

Personally, I think she needs to quit lying to herself. She doesn't gel with Jeri and tolerates Garrett but... and that's okay, but when she pleads for our understanding, I think it's because she incapable in that moment of dealing with our concerns/disapproval. She's seeking acceptance.

I dont think the " doesnt gel with Ryan" is all together true. I think Mulgrew feels comfortable dismissing any sort of relationship/friendship with Ryan on stage which i have tackled that in my earlier posts.. But you are Spot on with the part about yearning for acceptance. It appears to me she insists on playing a person with two personalites .. I say that respectfully.. I could of said another mental illness term , but no.... But yes ,she does appear to have a huge amount of insecurities and is in desperation to seek approval from men ( in particular)

It's this back and forth thing that keeps people gossiping. "I like Jeri." Turns into "She's a sexy knock out. You'd have a problem too. You weren't given that plot line. She should learn to be on time. I don't have a relationship with the girl.No." her voice annoyed and eager to move on.

Direct example of a love/hate relationship. I think she is confused as to what her feelings really are for Ryan. She cannot bring herself to leave Ryan's name out of conventions. It is almost like she feels she is entitled to talk about her or make references to her ( for whatever reason) . It is almost overpowering at times. Kinda obsessive.

She also says she likes Garrett. Bull. I get the impression she tolerates. When she likes someone she throws her heart into them. Eager and inquisitive. She can't openly admit it. It's not good press.it could hurt us whom may like him. (Personally, I think he's shifty and can't be trusted)

True, I noticed that when she was on the panel with McNeill and Garrett constantly attempted to push her buttons by imitating her voice. Garrett has always been " Team Ryan"

You should have seen her body at Dubuque. She entertained a fans idea of a script until he said Garett told him personally to say she should read it. My friend who doesn't know of Mulgrew even whispered, "uh oh. The fan lost her." He should have lied and said Picardo. Lol!

Was she toned? I know she abused her body with this yo yo thing from being half way slender to ...erm...somewhat voluptuous..

She neglected to mention certain things in her book because it's not an exposè. But in my opinion she wants to be seen in the best light while revealing her vulnerbility and left out growth opportunity. Her book not mine. Which Omg, I'm so excited she's wanting to write a second one.

I know she said she wanted people to know her for her . Interesting to know if she got the reaction she wanted. My views have not changed and im sure the same will be for a lot of people. I haven't read the book and have no intentions of purchasing it , but it does appear from what i have read on here it was tough.. like so many people.. Im glad she has come through it all and has a great relationship with her daughter

I'm just saying before I went off in a tangent is people who approach an alpha male or female with any insecurity could potentially obscure what actually happened to them.
It happened to me 7 years ago. I returned confident and I had a different experience. A very positive one.

Good on you Catarina . And it shows.

 

[Catarina]

You brought up an interesting point about her being two personalities.

"Well she certainly doesn't connect with women who have shaved hair styles and wears over-sided suits "

A shame.... I suppose I want to believe her word. I wonder if she even knows fully what her range of acceptance is.

Btw, I realize after the fact my questions on how the persons were treated is irrelevant. I was just curious. Not defending. I apologize.

 

[Captain Kathryn]

Janeway7Truly, Kate Mulgrew does NOT have an "extreme dislike of lesbians" and she also isn't a closeted lesbian to my knowledge and I don't understand why you feel the need to separate Janeway fans and Mulgrew fans. This whole thing of yours doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I love Janeway for the character she was and I love Kate Mulgrew for the person and actress she was/is. And I love lesbians and straight folk alike. So I don't really get this whole thing.

BTW--if Kate did have "an extreme dislike of lesbians" do you REALLY think she would have agreed to be on OITNB? Seriously?

 

[Janeway7trulv]

As delightful as Mulgrew wants to appear. She never really detaches herself from being the performer and feels the need to perform whenever she is faced with an audience whether it is on a TV interview, a radio interview ,at a convention. Maybe she feels she is more interesting when she is constantly performing. She knows what totally range of acceptance is but she doesn't have it in her give totally acceptance. She is a very conflicted and overly insecure person that wants to be seen as this god fearing , traditionalist . I remember when she did an interview about Voyager for the BBC and spoke about the J/7 dynamic and said that so many people say their relationship as more but she insists on throwing through something to suggest " me the traditional catholic woman who believe in one type of relationship"- she didnt actually said that but the words implied that.. Another time she said she was asked to speak at two lesbians wedding- . I think she suggested it was all a kind of a joke in terms of not to be taken seriously and again came the " I the catholic only believe in one sort of relationship " line.. She really makes me laugh

Btw, I realize after the fact my questions on how the persons were treated is irrelevant. I was just curious. Not defending. I apologize.

Oh thats absolutely fine darling
Edit to add ;Captain Kathryn

Kate Mulgrew does NOT have an "extreme dislike of lesbians" and she also isn't a closeted lesbian to my knowledge and I don't understand why you feel the need to separate Janeway fans and Mulgrew fans. This whole thing of yours doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Who said she is a closeted lesbian?- She has grown sons and a history with MEN . Why would i suggest she was a closeted lesbian ? I do not recall saying that. I said she is confused about her thoughts on Ryan - that could mean she is confused as to whether she likes her one day from the next .

Seperate Janeway fans from Mulgrew Fans? WTF!! That isnt what im trying to do at all. It is a discussion . Im sure everyone here is above the age of 18 and intelligent enough to know their own minds ;-)

Im sorry you feel the whole idea doesn't make sense to you. Thanks for your contribution though

 

[jaz'a]

I remember when she did an interview about Voyager for the BBC and spoke about the J/7 dynamic and said that so many people say their relationship as more but she insists on throwing through something to suggest " me the traditional catholic woman who believe in one type of relationship"- she didnt actually said that but the words implied that.. Another time she said she was asked to speak at two lesbians wedding- . I think she suggested it was all a kind of a joke in terms of not to be taken seriously and again came the " I the catholic only believe in one sort of relationship " line.. She really makes me laugh

So you're going to judge her today for a view she had 20 years ago? People change. 20 years ago close to 70% of Americans opposed gay marriage. It was the norm. It doesn't mean they had, or still have, an extreme dislike for lesbians and gays. I'd argue even if she did still hold that view it doesn't show extreme dislike, but that's another thread (and I can't be arsed going into that).

Given Mulgrew is a fairly liberal Catholic it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she supported gay marriage these days. Rather I'd be surprised if she didn't.

I've never seen or heard anything to suggest that Mulgrew has an issue with any section of her fan base. No doubt some have had bad experiences where she didn't treat them how they wanted, but that's life. No one, including celebrities, is perfect. She may have reacted badly for reasons that had nothing to do with their sexuality. Until I hear a lot more stories about treating lesbian fans badly I'm going to take these ones with a grain of salt.

 

[Beawild]

Mulgrew has always been frank and vocal about her opinions. She was adamantly opposed to using Janeway in a sexualized way. There was, and IMO there still is, a double standard about how women are perceived differently from men. For example, think of all the men in power who have been unfaithful and still managed to retain their posts. Now imagine an Angela Merkel or Hillary Clinton doing the same. Their careers would be in the trash bin.

Mulgrew wanted Janeway to be a role model for girls and women. She wanted to demonstrate that a woman could command a starship, and do it well, without bed hopping and needing a man to prop her up. She was angry at the brass for using the T&A card by bringing aboard someone who was a former beauty queen and dressing her in an outfit that was so tight that caused Ryan to faint more than once. Seven ended up being an interesting character and Jeri played her wonderfully, but still, she was hired to raise ratings among Voyager's core viewers: 18-25 year old men. The gimmick worked and ratings went up.

Kate was probably surprised that she and Jeri became lesbian icons and that so many viewers thought that there was a sexual attraction between their characters. She has always described the J/7 relationship as being one of a mentor and protégé or mother/daughter. I think that's how the relationship was meant to be by the producers and writers. Seven was written as another one of Janeway's reclamation projects (didn't Chakotay tell her that once?). Anything else was in the imagination of the viewers.

Personally, I don't think that Kate is homophobic. I don't get that sense at all. It's also hard to be in a business that has so many gay people and feel animosity about them. People in show business are some of the most open minded folks and Kate is quite liberal (a "yellow dog" Democrat, as she puts it).

 

[Janeway7trulv]

Jazamul- If it makes you happy, then who am i to say otherwise . I'm not here to change your opinion at all. I was just giving my reasons why i enjoy and respect Janeway over Mulgrew. I know it is hard to accept that people whom people idolized can be anything but perfect lack modern days empathizes with all sectors of life.

Lesbians are a lot more wiser and without seeming like a broken record. I have absolutely no reason in the world to doubt my girls. They are the most loving , fun bunch of women and have brought so much joy to the J/7 forum over the years and it greatly saddens me that J/7 is the thing of the passed as they have all abandoned the forums and moved onto pastures new - and positive

Whether Mulgrew likes it or not , i think it was their support that brought it a tremendous loyal following up until recent years. There loyal support extents from the very first day Voyager began until years after it ended. They would religiously go and see her at conventions and pay their hard earned cash to see her . Does that seem like women that will deliberately slaughter her? I donnnnnnnnnnt think so

I mean why specifically Mulgrew and why not Ryan?. Ryan is really sneeky about her support for the community. I think she wants to appear to be all and out so down with the trend. I think she is shifty. As with Mulgrew she is straight (pardon the pun) out with what she does and does not like. You said she may have not taken to the woman . I get that . Sometimes i meet someone for the first time and my vibes is not receptive to theres. But can she have this off vibes with several women that "happened " to have shaved hairs , have huge biceps and ohh so sexy?..

I have ALWAYS sense a grave degree of negative vibes from her when she was asked to tackle the subject in the past. I just think my girls have decided that years of respecting her when all she has done is disrespect them has come to an enough..

You know, it is now a given to automatically expect a negative reaction from her or a false one now ( as one sees it ). When she is asked to comment about women or lesbians. You be like" Oh here we f!cking go again".

When i saw a brief clip of the interview with her daughter and her daughter said that the whole discovering her mother again had affected passed relationships. I was waiting for Mulgrew to look into the camera and say " With Men"

It is all about what her fans or people appreciate her work want to see.

In the words of Judge Judy Sheindlin " Dont pee on my shoes and tell me its raining "