James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful)
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Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Yea, no shit! That DOES look like the NX-01 and that pic was done when? In the late 80s, early 90s? Akiraprise- My ass. They just made the NX-01 look the way Harve Bennet envisioned it 20 years ago. Pretty friggin' funny really, the ENT haters can chew on that for a while.
Yea, no shit! That DOES look like the NX-01 and that pic was done when? In the late 80s, early 90s? Akiraprise- My ass. They just made the NX-01 look the way Harve Bennet envisioned it 20 years ago. Pretty friggin' funny really, the ENT haters can chew on that for a while.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
That ship of Harve's is one of those weird little quirks in Trek history. Have to admit when I saw it my jaw dropped a bit.
Sharr
That ship of Harve's is one of those weird little quirks in Trek history. Have to admit when I saw it my jaw dropped a bit.
Sharr
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
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Perhaps they've started with the ST: TMP Enterprise design, and regressed that back to what it might have looked like before a refit. As it stands now, it's difficult to see how you could get to the TMP Enterprise from the TOS Enterprise, but with this new movie they have the opportunity to change that, if they choose.
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Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Tail fins sounds way too Flash Gordon. Fireball XL5 even.
Matt Jefferies while designing the ship once complied all those 30's/40's spaceage designs and said, "This I will not do."
Here's hoping this is all a big wind-up.
Tail fins sounds way too Flash Gordon. Fireball XL5 even.
Matt Jefferies while designing the ship once complied all those 30's/40's spaceage designs and said, "This I will not do."
Here's hoping this is all a big wind-up.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Don't forget something: when images of the new Megatron from the Transformers movie were leaked, the outcry was such that they went back in and altered the design to make it more like the original (some would say not enough, but I digress). Since nothing in terms of special effects is set in stone at this point, perhaps this little dust-up might convince the designers to do a little re-tooling before we see the finished product.
Don't forget something: when images of the new Megatron from the Transformers movie were leaked, the outcry was such that they went back in and altered the design to make it more like the original (some would say not enough, but I digress). Since nothing in terms of special effects is set in stone at this point, perhaps this little dust-up might convince the designers to do a little re-tooling before we see the finished product.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
I think the wing idea is great. And the vectoring nacelles. There should be lot's of "azteck" plating too and lot's of lights and blue and red plasma glowing. The wings should be retractable though so when the Enterprise lands it can drive around on land. The wheels would extend on landing and retract during take off or when the ship goes underwater. When the ship goes underwater the wings will extend just a bit to provide some steering. The Enterprise will be able to take off like a regular jet, a rocket or one of those VTOL planes with the wings that pivot. This will make sense of the vectoring nacelles. The wings will vector as well. Everything will be maximally aerodynamic and there will be lot's of stripes and some racing flame decals on the ship. Phaser turrets and torpedo bays will line the primary hull which won't be a saucer, but more like the primary hull of the NSEA Protector, but more aerodynamic with wings, two fore and two aft and some on top and some on bottom. There will be four nacelles, all radially symmetric, all slanted back aerodynamically and all vectoring constantly to keep the ship on course. The primary hull will be able to rotate 360 degrees between the wings and nacelles so the bridge, located on the very tip of the primary hull, can always face forward. The secondary hull will consist of an aircraft launch pad, bay, strip for the fighter craft to disembark. There will be several dozen fighters constantly taking off and landing and flying in formation around the Enterprise at all times. The fighers craft will look like a cross between the X-wing fighters from Star Wars and stealth bombers and will be all black. Kirk's personal fighter will have the captain's bars and command badge isignia painted on all the wings and red strips like the 1960's Batmobile all around it. Kirk will enter the fighter by sliding down a pole which will also change his clothes from the standard issue Star Fleet uniform to the fighter jet pressure suit. The suit will be black leather with aerodynamic external padding in the form of human musculature just like the Batman Begins bat suit but with Star Fleet markings. Kirk will wear a cape, but Spock and McCoy won't. Every planet fall will be made using the fighters. The fighters will transform into dune buggies/ATVs to allow the crew to navigate all over the planet. They will also transform to submarines to allow for aquatic survelliance.
I think the wing idea is great. And the vectoring nacelles. There should be lot's of "azteck" plating too and lot's of lights and blue and red plasma glowing. The wings should be retractable though so when the Enterprise lands it can drive around on land. The wheels would extend on landing and retract during take off or when the ship goes underwater. When the ship goes underwater the wings will extend just a bit to provide some steering. The Enterprise will be able to take off like a regular jet, a rocket or one of those VTOL planes with the wings that pivot. This will make sense of the vectoring nacelles. The wings will vector as well. Everything will be maximally aerodynamic and there will be lot's of stripes and some racing flame decals on the ship. Phaser turrets and torpedo bays will line the primary hull which won't be a saucer, but more like the primary hull of the NSEA Protector, but more aerodynamic with wings, two fore and two aft and some on top and some on bottom. There will be four nacelles, all radially symmetric, all slanted back aerodynamically and all vectoring constantly to keep the ship on course. The primary hull will be able to rotate 360 degrees between the wings and nacelles so the bridge, located on the very tip of the primary hull, can always face forward. The secondary hull will consist of an aircraft launch pad, bay, strip for the fighter craft to disembark. There will be several dozen fighters constantly taking off and landing and flying in formation around the Enterprise at all times. The fighers craft will look like a cross between the X-wing fighters from Star Wars and stealth bombers and will be all black. Kirk's personal fighter will have the captain's bars and command badge isignia painted on all the wings and red strips like the 1960's Batmobile all around it. Kirk will enter the fighter by sliding down a pole which will also change his clothes from the standard issue Star Fleet uniform to the fighter jet pressure suit. The suit will be black leather with aerodynamic external padding in the form of human musculature just like the Batman Begins bat suit but with Star Fleet markings. Kirk will wear a cape, but Spock and McCoy won't. Every planet fall will be made using the fighters. The fighters will transform into dune buggies/ATVs to allow the crew to navigate all over the planet. They will also transform to submarines to allow for aquatic survelliance.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Don't forget... when the Enterprise lands, it grows legs and walks around... and talks, too!
Wow, this will be the best Trek ever! Throwing away everything that's ever been associated with Star Trek and starting over from scratch is the bestestest idea ever, doood!
Don't forget... when the Enterprise lands, it grows legs and walks around... and talks, too!
Wow, this will be the best Trek ever! Throwing away everything that's ever been associated with Star Trek and starting over from scratch is the bestestest idea ever, doood!
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Are you saying that the world doesn't revolve around TrekBBS? That's just crazy talk!Baldus885 said:
What, you think TPTB are actually reading this? Half a dozen internet posters ranting about the Enterprise having wings?
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Ummmm, for something as heavy as the Enterprise NCC-1701... wings are pointless. Even NASA realizes the Enterprise OV-101 and its fellow vessels are not particularly "gliding".. more like a controlled brick falling to Earth... I think a starship masses out ludicrously more than a shuttle.
That's why the Russians gave up on Buran and went back to landing humans safely in heat-shielded, parachute-braked capsules. Safer.
Ummmm, for something as heavy as the Enterprise NCC-1701... wings are pointless. Even NASA realizes the Enterprise OV-101 and its fellow vessels are not particularly "gliding".. more like a controlled brick falling to Earth... I think a starship masses out ludicrously more than a shuttle.
That's why the Russians gave up on Buran and went back to landing humans safely in heat-shielded, parachute-braked capsules. Safer.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Cawley just clarified his position in a story over on Trekmovie.com.
NO WINGS! Though he apparently did see the design and
I put that in spoilers to be safe because apparently he did see it, so this is a fair and accurate, though vague, description.
Cawley just clarified his position in a story over on Trekmovie.com.
NO WINGS! Though he apparently did see the design and
in is words, it looks more like "contemporary" Trek ship designs.
I put that in spoilers to be safe because apparently he did see it, so this is a fair and accurate, though vague, description.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
Hey, if the film flops we'll raise the money and make another one ourselves. Hell, it worked for "Enterprise"!
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Are you saying that the world doesn't revolve around TrekBBS? That's just crazy talk!
Hey, if the film flops we'll raise the money and make another one ourselves. Hell, it worked for "Enterprise"!
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
JJ is in talks with the Transformer guys . . . so it will happen if the legal issues can be worked out. The Enterprise will be a robot in disguise.
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Don't forget... when the Enterprise lands, it grows legs and walks around... and talks, too!
Wow, this will be the best Trek ever! Throwing away everything that's ever been associated with Star Trek and starting over from scratch is the bestestest idea ever, doood!
JJ is in talks with the Transformer guys . . . so it will happen if the legal issues can be worked out. The Enterprise will be a robot in disguise.
Re: James Cawley (New Voyages) has seen the Ship (Its Aweful
The space shuttle isn't exactly the pinnacle of modern design practices... and it's rapidly approaching being a 40-year-old design (taking into account the design time prior to the first test flight, I mean).
But let's be fair... it is nothing BUT a glider. IT DOES NOT USE ANY FORM OF PROPULSION DURING REENTRY. IT IS A GLIDER, NOT AN AIRPLANE, during that phase. So saying it's not a glider is absolutely and totally untrue. It is a fairly POOR glider, but it's a glider nevertheless.
Being totally bankrupt tends to kill off programs pretty effectively.
Again, I'm NOT arguing that the Enterprise does, or should, or even COULD have wings. I would be mortified if the Enterprise we see on-screen in a year looks like that. But I'm saying that a spacecraft that's designed to work in an atmosphere can, and SHOULD, use aerodynamics to its advantage wherever possible.
It might not be appropriate for a long-range Starfleet Heavy Cruiser. But for a smaller craft... say, something that a "military commander" who has not yet become "an explorer" might command... it's not unreasonable to assume that the whole ship might be landing-capable.
And if it IS landing-capable... you'd be stupid to design it where it has to FIGHT atmospheric forces instead of being able to make practical use of those same forces.
NOT the Enterprise... but some other starfleet ship? Sure, why not?
"Wings" isn't what we'd be looking at, necessarily... perhaps something more like a "lifting-body" concept for the hull structures (including the subspace field nacelles). Something smaller... say 1/4 the size of Enterprise... this would be perfectly reasonable.
So does an Airbus A380, but it glides pretty well. MUCH better than the shuttle does.
The space shuttle isn't exactly the pinnacle of modern design practices... and it's rapidly approaching being a 40-year-old design (taking into account the design time prior to the first test flight, I mean).
But let's be fair... it is nothing BUT a glider. IT DOES NOT USE ANY FORM OF PROPULSION DURING REENTRY. IT IS A GLIDER, NOT AN AIRPLANE, during that phase. So saying it's not a glider is absolutely and totally untrue. It is a fairly POOR glider, but it's a glider nevertheless.
Well, that's not the sole reason. Remember that the USSR was in total economic freefall at the time. They couldn't AFFORD anything as complicated as the Buran (which was an improved version of our shuttle).
Being totally bankrupt tends to kill off programs pretty effectively.
Again, I'm NOT arguing that the Enterprise does, or should, or even COULD have wings. I would be mortified if the Enterprise we see on-screen in a year looks like that. But I'm saying that a spacecraft that's designed to work in an atmosphere can, and SHOULD, use aerodynamics to its advantage wherever possible.
It might not be appropriate for a long-range Starfleet Heavy Cruiser. But for a smaller craft... say, something that a "military commander" who has not yet become "an explorer" might command... it's not unreasonable to assume that the whole ship might be landing-capable.
And if it IS landing-capable... you'd be stupid to design it where it has to FIGHT atmospheric forces instead of being able to make practical use of those same forces.
NOT the Enterprise... but some other starfleet ship? Sure, why not?
"Wings" isn't what we'd be looking at, necessarily... perhaps something more like a "lifting-body" concept for the hull structures (including the subspace field nacelles). Something smaller... say 1/4 the size of Enterprise... this would be perfectly reasonable.
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