"James Bond 23" officially slated for 2012!
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With a lisp.
Finally!
As long as there's a Q, Moneypenny, opening gun barrel, 'Bond, James Bond', 'Shaken, not stirred', and he gets the girl at the end I'll consider it an improvement and right now don't care who writes it.
If it comes out and sucks, then I will be displeased.
There had better be gadgets in this one.
And one liners. Craig's movies have all been so dull to date.
One-liners? From Casino:
(After the "poison/defibrilator" sequence) "Oh, sorry. That last hand--it nearly killed me."
"I'm the money." "Every penny of it."
"How's the lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathizes."
And of course... "You noticed."
From QoS:
"Tell her slate was a dead end."
"I thinks she has handcuffs." "I do hope so."
"I can't find the stationary. Why not come an' help me look?"
As for gadgets--Craig has them, but they're more subtle and down-to-earth. Listening devices...lock-pickers--miniature defibrilators. And we catch a brief glimpse of other gadgets when he pulls the last one out in Casino.
It's practically a given that, since the origin story is basically over--and Bond has learned his lesson--the Bondian structure will return in the next one--particularly the gunbarrel at the beginning. (Hopefully a bit slowed down--but I like the visual of Craig's Bond walking away as the blood comes down.)
As Moneypenny...well, maybe--if she serves the plot well. Don't force her. Q, I would LOVE to see in the next film. M basically orders Bond to rely less on brute force, and Q trains him in more extensive use of equiptment. Craig-Bond, naturally, takes the gadgets begrudgingly, but comes to accept them.
What worries me about Craig's gadgets is their current real world immediacy and thus short shelf life. There is so much product placement for the newest phone and watch and all that-but those things from his two movies are already out of date. Do we care if he had a Sony Ericcson then? Because now he's going to have to have a smartphone that is honestly, in all actuality, a damn tricorder. After Craig's tenure they may well have to go back to the sixties, because there will be no more fantastic gadgets to show and by time the movie comes out, what he'll have onscreen will be behind.
I agree with Candlelight about the oneliners though, in that I think Craig's are a little more subtle and dry, but they need to have a little more humor coming soon. My favorite scene from CR is the trainride with Vesper, because there is some levity and wit to it.
That's a good way to put it. I really hope the 'Bondian structure' is back for the next one, too. And I'd like to see Moneypenny indeed. However, I don't think they have to name her yet if they don't want to. Just have M have a female secretary in one scene. We'll know who she is, and expect more room for that in the subsequent picture. Besides, when she does introduce herself, we can get a fourth wall glance from Craig regard every penny of that money.
I agree with Candlelight about the oneliners though, in that I think Craig's are a little more subtle and dry, but they need to have a little more humor coming soon. My favorite scene from CR is the trainride with Vesper, because there is some levity and wit to it.
That's a good way to put it. I really hope the 'Bondian structure' is back for the next one, too. And I'd like to see Moneypenny indeed. However, I don't think they have to name her yet if they don't want to. Just have M have a female secretary in one scene. We'll know who she is, and expect more room for that in the subsequent picture. Besides, when she does introduce herself, we can get a fourth wall glance from Craig regard every penny of that money.
One-liners? From Casino:
(After the "poison/defibrilator" sequence) "Oh, sorry. That last hand--it nearly killed me."
"I'm the money." "Every penny of it."
"How's the lamb?" "Skewered. One sympathizes."
And of course... "You noticed."
From QoS:
"Tell her slate was a dead end."
"I thinks she has handcuffs." "I do hope so."
YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
My fave line from QoS isn't even in English!
"We are school teachers on sabbatical...and we have just won the lottery."
You know, this was one of the few parts I liked about QoS, a glimpse of the classic Bond "Where's the fun in subtly?" attitude.
That's also what I feel was missing the most in the Craig films; Bond needs to look like he's fun doing the stuff he does (something that Brosnan had perfected from the start, just watch him drive that tank in "GoldenEye"). Craig rarely does that. Or he didn't in the two movies we saw up to now. It seems he can only have fun when he's with a lady. Well, of course, he should have fun when he's with a lady, but ... oh, you know what I mean.
That's why it was a terrible decision to have it as a direct sequel.
You know there is precedent, right? "On her Majesty's Secret Service" and the following "Diamonds are Forever". Now, I'm not saying they should have gone all-out wacky the way they did with "Diamonds", but some balance would have been nice. Also, the "too much" of the wackyness of "Diamonds" didn't really come from Bond's character, but from the other characters.
Next Blade should be white. He has been black for far too long already.
I don't like how DAF ignores OHMSS. Sure, you have Bond hunting down Blofeld at the start and the lines about MI5 being able to cope in Bond's absence (little in-jokes at Connery's expense). But the tone of the movies are different and not only have you a different Bond but yet another Blofeld.
I'd much rather have seen Lazenby return and hunt down Savalas' Blofeld, instead of a toupeed & flabby through-the-motions Connery (I should note that it wasn't a 'take the money' role - most of his fee went to charity) hunt down Charles Gray's camp Ernst B.
Here we go with the tit-for-tat. Though I'm not a fan of changing Bond's race, I think these type of kneejerk responses, usually Shaft if not Blade do little to address the original assertion. There's no comparison between Blade who starred in three films and a failed TV show, with Bond which is a billion dollar franchise. The Blade and Shaft franchises together wouldn't put a dent in Bond's. Neither have made the mainstream cultural impact that Bond has, and switching their races wouldn't have much of a ripple for majority audiences. Changing Bond's race would create more widespread debate about the images and roles available for actors of color. And it is for that reason, the controversial debate and the potential for lost revenue that you won't see a black Bond anytime soon. Though Idris Elba could definitely pull it off.
I'm not opposed to racebending completely, but I don't think it would work for Bond. I think if the character was made into a black man, white producers would take away the character's virility. They would probably make him an eunuch. I think Bond is too much a symbol of white Western manhood to ever change skin colors. Though there is a lot of red, yellow, and brown tint in the Western experience too.
The real problem IMO is the lack of major roles for actors/actresses of color, or of iconic characters of color who could have a franchise that could rival Bond, Harry Potter, LOTR, etc. So I think there's a tendency for some to try to gloam onto existing franchises instead of working to promote homegrown, organic characters/properties. Though his content is debatable, Tyler Perry has provided an interesting model of franchise building with his Madea character. I would rather see black characters and others of color attempt to do something like this, instead of trying to be a black Bond or Kirk, or whatever.
We're not there yet, and it isn't because no one hasn't created works that could be turned to franchises. There's a lot of black heroes in literature, once you delve into it, it's just an issue of black heroes, with the exception of if they are played by Will Smith and a handful of others, are not seen as profitable. Then again, Smith's racebending Jim West didn't leave many wanting more, though it could've been the fact that that movie itself was a steaming pile more than anything Smith did in the role of West.
I don't have a problem with the next Bond being Black (even if I do favor Fassbender) but changing Bond's race leaves me wondering how they would play Felix Leiter. I really love Jeffrey Wright's portrayal and hope to see more of him in these upcoming plans. If they do the 007 in New York bits, we may well finally get a good dose of him. Would they ever have a black Bond and a black Leiter on screen together at the same time? Or would making Bond black automatically make Leiter white again?
Actually, now that I think of it, it might be kind of neat if Colin Salmon could some how move into the Q position. There's already some classy banter and wit there, and it would be cool to see him with some badass toys and yet be so reserved. Someone posted early about him having been the best black Bond, but he can't really now. Unless they someone make him a turncoat villain in an upcoming storyline and actually have him be some sort of agent.
Eh, any real scripting and casting news for 23 of late?
Actually, now that I think of it, it might be kind of neat if Colin Salmon could some how move into the Q position. There's already some classy banter and wit there, and it would be cool to see him with some badass toys and yet be so reserved. Someone posted early about him having been the best black Bond, but he can't really now. Unless they someone make him a turncoat villain in an upcoming storyline and actually have him be some sort of agent.
Eh, any real scripting and casting news for 23 of late?
How about making a movie based around an original character who's a black secret agent?
That would be nice. But if I may play advocate, what else would you do to make it something more original than just a 'black Bond'? Strangely it seems tougher to do that today, for everything ends up being compared to just being a Bond/Bourne knockoff. Salt was Jolie playing something Bondesque, right? The American was played up as Clooney being spy.
Frankly, I am getting seriously disappointed that MI-5 just keeps adding a minority for the sake of them being there, while all the pretty blonde haired blue eyed people get to be the big time spies saving the day. I really wish they would have a decent black lead instead of a barely there guy at a desk. What a waste.
Frankly, I am getting seriously disappointed that MI-5 just keeps adding a minority for the sake of them being there, while all the pretty blonde haired blue eyed people get to be the big time spies saving the day. I really wish they would have a decent black lead instead of a barely there guy at a desk. What a waste.
^For the record, Bond works for MI-6.
But anyhow...if we're looking for a "Q", I'm looking at Ian Holm. Witty, quirky, eccentric...Ian does that perfectly.
But anyhow...if we're looking for a "Q", I'm looking at Ian Holm. Witty, quirky, eccentric...Ian does that perfectly.
Kevin Spacey was offered a role as villain
http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=9281&catid=107&t=mi6&s=news
http://www.mi6.co.uk/news/index.php?itemid=9281&catid=107&t=mi6&s=news
Folks...you are going to LOVE this.
Guess who is VERY interested in playing a Bond Girl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjeGG-wb6mc
I'd say, "DISCUSS!!!"...but that's the language of spammers.
Personally, I think we're comming close to seeing a BIT too much of Miss Cardassian (sorry, I couldn't resist)...but who knows? She could actually turn out to be a great actress...eh?
Nah....
Guess who is VERY interested in playing a Bond Girl:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjeGG-wb6mc
I'd say, "DISCUSS!!!"...but that's the language of spammers.
Personally, I think we're comming close to seeing a BIT too much of Miss Cardassian (sorry, I couldn't resist)...but who knows? She could actually turn out to be a great actress...eh?
Nah....