iZombie Season 1 Discussion and Spoilers
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Anyways, that news inspired me to get caught up on the last 2 episodes, so SPOILERS AHEAD for the people who aren't all caught up on the show.
I liked the episode where Liv turned into Mother Liv. That was fun, I quite enjoyed the way she was doting over everybody. Good ending, I liked the way the Lieutenant used his zombie powers to take down the bad guys, and I thought there was a chance he could turn into an ally for Liv, but then he really just used the farm to clean up his own messes at the end, which was kind of sad. But the maternal instincts were fun all episode long. This was a good brain.
But then we get to the real spoiler-heavy episode that just aired this week. The radio mystery wasn't terribly interesting, but a whole lot of stuff was going on to other characters on the show. (Or at least the relationship advice didn't feel terribly interesting.) I'll start with Major: how in the world did Liv just overlook the mention of the brain in the bad guy's car? For someone who's been going around playing Nancy Drew and solving crime for the past few months, she ought to be able to spot the whale-sized red flag when she hears it. And for someone who's been a soulmate and intimate friend with Major since forever, she sure didn't recognize the signs of him not giving up on the missing kids case. If Liv and Ravi are on the front line of trying to prevent the zombie apocalypse, we may be screwed.
Ravi. Talk about some poor safety precautions. As if the zombie rat running all over the room loose wasn't bad enough, allowing himself to be bitten at the end is just beyond careless. If you hold the fate of the world in your hands, you should know to use more caution. The safety protocols he set up were, well, obviously insufficient. So we've got Liv, too blind to see the obvious zombie scheme going on, or at the very least too blind to see that there's something shady going on that she needs to look into further here. And then we've got Ravi, and if we're counting on his brains to save us, well, good luck with that.
And speaking of Ravi, the fact that he has moved in with Liv's ex, and now wants to date Liv's roommate, seems way too convenient, even for tv shows where characters always come together. Maybe there's something to be said for the fact that Liv was an A+ winner before being turned into a zombie, and Ravi is understandably drawn to her A+ winner friends, but still. As he said, he's quite a catch himself. So why is he only catching her friends?
And then we've got a scene with Lt Suzuki again. Perhaps that scene was just there to show the very slowest of us that the Lt was indeed under the control of Blaine, though if you want to be optimistic, it also put the idea out there that the Lt isn't a big fan of Blaine, so perhaps there's a tiny chance he'll be of assistance to Liv in the future.
And speaking of the future, it looks like a showdown between Liv and Blaine may happen any second now, but I have a bad feeling we'll have to sit through the whole next episode with Liv being upset about her zombie boyfriend lying to her about getting brains from Blaine, and then she'll only wake up to the need for action at the end. Though I suppose that was a pretty damning vision now that I think about it again. Hopefully maybe she will go to Major immediately and start unravelling the brain delivery business.
I'll say this though: some good cliffhangers at the end of this episode with both Liv and Ravi. I'll certainly be tuning in to see how things unfold next week.
I liked the episode where Liv turned into Mother Liv. That was fun, I quite enjoyed the way she was doting over everybody. Good ending, I liked the way the Lieutenant used his zombie powers to take down the bad guys, and I thought there was a chance he could turn into an ally for Liv, but then he really just used the farm to clean up his own messes at the end, which was kind of sad. But the maternal instincts were fun all episode long. This was a good brain.
But then we get to the real spoiler-heavy episode that just aired this week. The radio mystery wasn't terribly interesting, but a whole lot of stuff was going on to other characters on the show. (Or at least the relationship advice didn't feel terribly interesting.) I'll start with Major: how in the world did Liv just overlook the mention of the brain in the bad guy's car? For someone who's been going around playing Nancy Drew and solving crime for the past few months, she ought to be able to spot the whale-sized red flag when she hears it. And for someone who's been a soulmate and intimate friend with Major since forever, she sure didn't recognize the signs of him not giving up on the missing kids case. If Liv and Ravi are on the front line of trying to prevent the zombie apocalypse, we may be screwed.
Ravi. Talk about some poor safety precautions. As if the zombie rat running all over the room loose wasn't bad enough, allowing himself to be bitten at the end is just beyond careless. If you hold the fate of the world in your hands, you should know to use more caution. The safety protocols he set up were, well, obviously insufficient. So we've got Liv, too blind to see the obvious zombie scheme going on, or at the very least too blind to see that there's something shady going on that she needs to look into further here. And then we've got Ravi, and if we're counting on his brains to save us, well, good luck with that.
And speaking of Ravi, the fact that he has moved in with Liv's ex, and now wants to date Liv's roommate, seems way too convenient, even for tv shows where characters always come together. Maybe there's something to be said for the fact that Liv was an A+ winner before being turned into a zombie, and Ravi is understandably drawn to her A+ winner friends, but still. As he said, he's quite a catch himself. So why is he only catching her friends?
And then we've got a scene with Lt Suzuki again. Perhaps that scene was just there to show the very slowest of us that the Lt was indeed under the control of Blaine, though if you want to be optimistic, it also put the idea out there that the Lt isn't a big fan of Blaine, so perhaps there's a tiny chance he'll be of assistance to Liv in the future.
And speaking of the future, it looks like a showdown between Liv and Blaine may happen any second now, but I have a bad feeling we'll have to sit through the whole next episode with Liv being upset about her zombie boyfriend lying to her about getting brains from Blaine, and then she'll only wake up to the need for action at the end. Though I suppose that was a pretty damning vision now that I think about it again. Hopefully maybe she will go to Major immediately and start unravelling the brain delivery business.
I'll say this though: some good cliffhangers at the end of this episode with both Liv and Ravi. I'll certainly be tuning in to see how things unfold next week.
She didn't overlook it. On the contrary -- she recognized that he'd stumbled onto something too dangerous for him to handle, so she tried to convince him that it was nothing so that he'd leave it alone. That psychobabble about how he was just trying to hold onto the dead kid wasn't what she sincerely believed, it was just something she used in an attempt to steer him away from getting mixed up with zombies.
Now, there's something she actually did overlook. But maybe that was Sasha-brain talking, the radio shrink's arrogance in assuming she had everyone's number and could effortlessly talk them into things.
Easy to say in retrospect, but no scientist can predict the unknown. He was wearing chainmail gloves, more than sufficient to protect against normal rats' teeth. He just didn't predict how much the rat's strength had been enhanced. (Then again, he did see the bent cage bars, so maybe that's not an adequate explanation.)
Really, his mistake was in calling up Peyton to ask her out while he was working with the rat. If he'd kept all his focus on the rat, he probably could've avoided the bite. But he let himself get distracted, and that was foolish.
Not to mention the coincidence that her roommate happens to be the assistant DA and her mom happens to be a hospital administrator, so they both have reason to get involved in the crime/danger cases. Not to mention the coincidence that Liv's mom is trying to get Liv's kid brother a job at Blaine's butcher shop. Not to mention that the bit of brain Liv snagged from her boyfriend King Arthur at the end just happened to be from the kid Major's been looking for. This show takes Dickensian coincidence to new heights.
Also, I'm afraid this week's mystery wasn't puzzling at all. I pegged the producer as the killer in her very first scene, as soon as it turned out that A) she was responsible for putting the "Chattanooga" caller on the air (as an obvious suspect) and B) she was a longtime friend/partner who'd been overshadowed by the victim.
Okay, time to jump on the Hate Liv train again. Don't even need to mention how badly she screwed up this week, it should be obvious that as long as she allows the brain delivery service to continue, people will continue to die. She says she cares, and a day or three later she realizes that she needs to stop Blaine, but then she chickens out, allowing him to continue murdering kids. That's just fantastic. Frankly I'm glad she paid the price for it in the end. How many more people died during the span of this episode due to her inaction?
That said, other than Liv's amazing stupidity, I don't hate this show. It was nice to see Ravi not turn into a zombie. Hand Francisco was funny. And Clive actually did some detective work and figured out how the killer did it. Way to go Clive!
On the other hand, mister rich guy wanting an astronaut brain was a gigantic piece of WTF. Thinking about it now, I have to wonder if that's going to be the avenue for Liv and Co to finally get Blaine. The astronaut must play into the endgame of the season's story arc.
So I do wonder how this season is going to end. Liv obviously has a respect for other zombies and still sees them as human beings who deserve to live. But she wants to take down Blaine, who pretty much all the other zombies depend on to live. Unless she's going to cause zombie troubles, she's going to have to take over Blaine's delivery service. I don't know how many brains she and Ravi have access to that she doesn't bother to eat, but it's likely not enough. She'll need to find a new source. Of course there's also the possibility that Ravi will figure something out and help stem the zombie problem. If not outright curing them, perhaps alleviating their hunger, or identifying an alternate food source, or an artificial food source.
Or perhaps mister rich guy in the limo will take over Blaine's delivery service, providing Liv with a far more challenging opponent next season than just a drug-dealing music lover. Perhaps making zombies into a full blown business or corporation, sort of like the vampires we saw controlling so many things in the Blade movies.
That said, other than Liv's amazing stupidity, I don't hate this show. It was nice to see Ravi not turn into a zombie. Hand Francisco was funny. And Clive actually did some detective work and figured out how the killer did it. Way to go Clive!
On the other hand, mister rich guy wanting an astronaut brain was a gigantic piece of WTF. Thinking about it now, I have to wonder if that's going to be the avenue for Liv and Co to finally get Blaine. The astronaut must play into the endgame of the season's story arc.
So I do wonder how this season is going to end. Liv obviously has a respect for other zombies and still sees them as human beings who deserve to live. But she wants to take down Blaine, who pretty much all the other zombies depend on to live. Unless she's going to cause zombie troubles, she's going to have to take over Blaine's delivery service. I don't know how many brains she and Ravi have access to that she doesn't bother to eat, but it's likely not enough. She'll need to find a new source. Of course there's also the possibility that Ravi will figure something out and help stem the zombie problem. If not outright curing them, perhaps alleviating their hunger, or identifying an alternate food source, or an artificial food source.
Or perhaps mister rich guy in the limo will take over Blaine's delivery service, providing Liv with a far more challenging opponent next season than just a drug-dealing music lover. Perhaps making zombies into a full blown business or corporation, sort of like the vampires we saw controlling so many things in the Blade movies.
The Astronaut is from a book Rob wrote in the 90s.
Liv gets more brains than she needs.
Blaine's customers are being tricked into accepting the minimum consistency, which is why their brains are cut with all that other gourmet crap.
Liv probably eats 10 times as many brains (by weight) as one of Blaine's customers in the same time limit.
Yes they have killed a lot of teens in the beginning, but methinks most of them went in the freezer, and they're stockpiling for leaner days.
If they are cooking in bulk, then acquiring meat in bulk, is a better business model than constantly foraging for more daily.
Liv gets more brains than she needs.
Blaine's customers are being tricked into accepting the minimum consistency, which is why their brains are cut with all that other gourmet crap.
Liv probably eats 10 times as many brains (by weight) as one of Blaine's customers in the same time limit.
Yes they have killed a lot of teens in the beginning, but methinks most of them went in the freezer, and they're stockpiling for leaner days.
If they are cooking in bulk, then acquiring meat in bulk, is a better business model than constantly foraging for more daily.
That presupposes that killing Blaine actually would've solved the problem. That's the lure of violence, the belief that it will fix everything, but usually it just makes things worse. Blaine has an organization, allies, investors. There'd probably be retaliation and more bloodshed. And someone might well keep the business going, and killing Blaine would cost them a valuable lead they could use to investigate it and find out enough to bring the whole thing down. Knowledge, not brute violence, is usually the way to solve problems.
It takes days to regress to mindlessness?
There's an English Zombie thing (In the Flesh ) set after the government found a cure, which is a shot in the spine once a week. But it turns out that the process of devolving feels like heroin times 10, so every now and then, some one slips the system (Social Welfare.) and rampages... They even found a drug that instantly reverses the cure for half an hour or so, so they can get high in relative saftey.
There's an English Zombie thing (In the Flesh ) set after the government found a cure, which is a shot in the spine once a week. But it turns out that the process of devolving feels like heroin times 10, so every now and then, some one slips the system (Social Welfare.) and rampages... They even found a drug that instantly reverses the cure for half an hour or so, so they can get high in relative saftey.
^^^I thought they had to get shot in the spine once a day. Regardless, it was a good show, shame it won't be returning for a third series.
I'm so glad that iZombie has been renewed. This really is my favorite new show, and that it's from Rob Thomas and feels a bit like Veronica Mars is icing on the cake.
I'm so glad that iZombie has been renewed. This really is my favorite new show, and that it's from Rob Thomas and feels a bit like Veronica Mars is icing on the cake.
You remember the muppet they had giving him his shot?
I guessed a week, but there's no way she had the competence to do that to 20 people a day every day.
I guessed a week, but there's no way she had the competence to do that to 20 people a day every day.
That's possible. Been a while.
They mentioned Tinkerbell a couple times on Once Upon a Time last week.
Gotta wonder what Rose's scheduled is like?
They mentioned Tinkerbell a couple times on Once Upon a Time last week.
Gotta wonder what Rose's scheduled is like?
^ They'll probably start filming Season 2 in July (filming on Season 1 has actually been finished for quite some time).
Okay, SPOILERS AHEAD, so stop reading if you haven't watched this week's episode yet. I understand how tv shows work, and that usually you don't get full resolution until you get to a finale (usually), but the opening line of this week's show was just incredibly frustrating. Liv walks into the ME office and Ravi and she figure just about everything out, and then she basically tells Ravi she doesn't want to think about what happened, so let's work on a case. Come on!
I'm still a little torn about whether or not they should have told Major the truth about zombies, but leaning heavily towards "should have told him". I'm about 95% sure he would have believed them if given any evidence, and of course that number has now increased to 99% since he heard the z-word from one of his crazy hospital buddies. And their logic that he would somehow be safer in the loony bin is rather ridiculous too. As if Blaine and Julien aren't capable and threatening enough on their own, they just figured out earlier in the episode that Blaine has the police and other authorities in his pocket, so it's not like they were placing Major out of Julien's reach.
Other than that, I really liked this episode. It surely helped that the case was actually about the zombie outbreak itself. Clive was sniffing the brain salad. The head of Max Rager is a recognizable face. The hitman actually outsmarted Liv, that was a nice little twist that didn't require Liv to look totally incompetent. And I was worried about him when she knocked him out of the boat, thinking that he'd come back to trouble her, but then he got chopped up in the motors, and I thought "phew". So they got me good with that final scene.
I think there are only 3 episodes left in the season, so they won't be able to drag this out too much longer.
That said, perhaps an alternative take on the opening exchange between Liv and Ravi is that they simply don't care about saving everyone. They don't view themselves as heroes, they're just people trying to do their job and not get killed in the process.
I'm still a little torn about whether or not they should have told Major the truth about zombies, but leaning heavily towards "should have told him". I'm about 95% sure he would have believed them if given any evidence, and of course that number has now increased to 99% since he heard the z-word from one of his crazy hospital buddies. And their logic that he would somehow be safer in the loony bin is rather ridiculous too. As if Blaine and Julien aren't capable and threatening enough on their own, they just figured out earlier in the episode that Blaine has the police and other authorities in his pocket, so it's not like they were placing Major out of Julien's reach.
Other than that, I really liked this episode. It surely helped that the case was actually about the zombie outbreak itself. Clive was sniffing the brain salad. The head of Max Rager is a recognizable face. The hitman actually outsmarted Liv, that was a nice little twist that didn't require Liv to look totally incompetent. And I was worried about him when she knocked him out of the boat, thinking that he'd come back to trouble her, but then he got chopped up in the motors, and I thought "phew". So they got me good with that final scene.
I think there are only 3 episodes left in the season, so they won't be able to drag this out too much longer.
That said, perhaps an alternative take on the opening exchange between Liv and Ravi is that they simply don't care about saving everyone. They don't view themselves as heroes, they're just people trying to do their job and not get killed in the process.
Got caught up and enjoying this.
I was pleased to have figured out that a drone did it last week as soon as Liv found the shell.
The depth of drama has increased somewhat over the season. It's not quite as light and fluffy as it was at first, but still fun, and that's all good, and I'm starting to get a danger vibe from the show. Max Rager (ha, ha) is starting to seem more than a little like Resident Evil's Umbrella Corporation.
I was pleased to have figured out that a drone did it last week as soon as Liv found the shell.
The depth of drama has increased somewhat over the season. It's not quite as light and fluffy as it was at first, but still fun, and that's all good, and I'm starting to get a danger vibe from the show. Max Rager (ha, ha) is starting to seem more than a little like Resident Evil's Umbrella Corporation.
I know that this series is a procedural with a little twist, but I am the only one a little perplexed that the main characters go on with the murder-of-the-week formula, when they have to deal with a potential ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE???
Blaine seems a little too much enthusiastic about expanding his clientele...
Blaine seems a little too much enthusiastic about expanding his clientele...
25,000 per month per customer?
Plus more bonus payouts for astronauts.
Blaine is only targeting the %1.
Plus more bonus payouts for astronauts.
Blaine is only targeting the %1.
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