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iZombie Season 1 Discussion and Spoilers

He's a drug dealer.

Find cheap product, create/take advantage of addiction, gouge the addicted as if you're farming.

Rich people too sqweemish to kill for themselves.

Now while Blaine can keep killing people, that behaviour is already drawing attention.

Liv is a potential attention free source of brains, that he can over charge his customers for.
 
He may be making it up as he goes along.


  1. Zombifies a woman during rough sex;
  2. Lobotomizes two toughs in a car, eats his fill and notices he's got a momentary surplus;
  3. Profit!
Of course, by the time he's shaking down his one-night stand he's seeing the bigger picture and the business opportunity.
 
You might not have noticed the 20 year age difference?

Yes she was beautiful, but he chose her for a reason, that I can only assume is obvious wealth.

Take the brain/eat the brain, and the zombie victim stays dead. It's possible that no one had survived one of his attacks before, so it's also possible that Blaine didn't know that he could make new Zombies until Liv painted him with a scarlet Z?

Rough Sex?

It could have been as as simple as a fluid exchange from kissing.

Anything that would get his saliva inside her.
 
Maybe that. I'm completely unversed in modern zombie lore, but I'm getting the sense that the producers are about as invested in it as Whedon was in the Lugosi Dracula.
 
It could have been as as simple as a fluid exchange from kissing.

Anything that would get his saliva inside her.

If that's all it takes, then Liv's ex-fiancé had better get used to eating brains, too, because Liv zombie-Frenched him.

Liked this episode. I wanted to rewatch before commenting, but I thought I'd go ahead and jump in on this point.
 
He may be making it up as he goes along.


  1. Zombifies a woman during rough sex;
  2. Lobotomizes two toughs in a car, eats his fill and notices he's got a momentary surplus;
  3. Profit!
Of course, by the time he's shaking down his one-night stand he's seeing the bigger picture and the business opportunity.

On the other hand, right before he takes out the two toughs in the car, he says something about "When I'm running this town . . . "

Which suggests that he's already got big plans to become the zombie kingpin of Seattle.
 
Well, he is standing there rather broodingly. Maybe he's putting this stuff all together.

You suppose we've heard the last of his "boss" and his organization?

I'm not feeling it with Major, BTW. He comes across as a compliant award Liv won for being Best At Everything. When does she realize that everyone she's meeting now is more interesting than Trophy Boy?
 
His parents named him Major? I didn't think that happened outside of copies of Catch 22.

Buckley did 3 years as almost maybe the leading man on One Tree Hill.

More of a marathoner than a sprinter.

He'll do nothing wrong for as long as it takes until you don't hate him, which is in no way the same as an actor doing something excellent so that you like them.
 
His parents named him Major? I didn't think that happened outside of copies of Catch 22.
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Even better: the character's full name is "Major Lilywhite." Really.

Why didn't they just name him "Whitebread Beefcake" while they were at it? :)
 
Kind of a fun show, but I think the clever banter is starting to get a bit overdone already. There are just too many characters who use the same fast-talking, witty tone, and somehow that's not working as well for me here as it did in Joss Whedon shows or The Middleman, say. Maybe because there's not enough distinction between the characters' voices and dialogue styles, or maybe it's just a little too forced and constant, like the writers are trying too hard.

Also, let's face it, these characters aren't really zombies. They aren't mindless creatures or shambling corpses; they aren't even really dead in any clearly defined sense. Essentially they're albino vampires, except they can go out in the sun and they crave brains instead of blood. I suppose they're drawing somewhat on the "rage zombie virus" model of recent movies (28 Days Later, was it?), which is pretty far from your classic zombie as it is. Granted, that word has been redefined multiple times already in cinematic history. Originally it meant mind-controlled victims of a voodoo priest raised from death or near-death to do his bidding, and then it became a term for shambling, decaying, reanimated corpses that craved brains, and then the rage-zombie idea came along. I suppose this is just another reinvention. But it's weird to see so many contradictory uses of the same term, and this is such a cleaned-up, sexified version, with nothing really in common with other kinds of "zombie" beyond the encephalophagy. I have to wonder why they even call themselves zombies.

My favorite part by far was the way Liv reacted to acquiring the abilities and outlook of the artist -- the joy and liberation she gained from being able to create and see the world that way. That was beautiful and moving. That side of the premise is more interesting than the crimesolving.
 
They're a person who died and woke up wanting to eat brains. That's zombie enough for me.

Who appeared clinically dead temporarily. It's a stretch to call it death when they retain their full physical and mental capabilities with just a few changes in body function and behavior, and when they talk about it as a potentially curable medical condition. I mean, she woke up in the body bag, rather than crawling out of her grave. She wasn't even "dead" more than a few minutes, and there are real cases where people have recovered from being clinically dead for that length of time (although usually with some brain damage, but that actually fits here).

And the defining trait of "zombie" wasn't "brain-eating" until Dan O'Bannon's Return of the Living Dead in 1985. More fundamentally, the term means a mindless entity with no volition, guided by either external mind control or instinctive hunger. That total lack of cognition or personality was the main thing that distinguished zombies from other kinds of undead monsters like vampires and mummies, along with the grotesque, decayed appearance and the tendency to attack in hordes. This show features none of those traits so far -- the brain-eating is the only thing these characters have in common with zombies. Well, that and the ability to infect their victims, but that's a trait they share with vampires and werewolves, and has a common origin in ancient plague fears.

As I said, this show's "zombies" are really much more in the vein (no pun intended) of TV vampires like Angel or the Forever Knight guy, another category of undead creatures that still manage to pass as living beings, lead relatively normal lives and careers, and even be attractive to the opposite sex, with their "undead" status being more a superpower than a hideous or terrifying quality. It's undead lite. And doing that with zombies, normally the most grotesque, mindless, and deteriorated category of undead creature (other than, I dunno, a lich or an actual animated skeleton), stands out even more than when it's done with vampires.

Come to think of it, it's surprising that we haven't yet had a show about a sexy young mummy who uses the powers of his/her ancient curse to solve crimes and battle evil mummies. Or how about Gill-Man, PI?
 
They're a person who died and woke up wanting to eat brains. That's zombie enough for me.

Me, too.

Yep; they're zombies.

These things are popular fiction, whatever folklore they're based on, and people are allowed to redefine them in whatever way they like. The reasoning behind "they're not zombies" also makes the critters on BTVS not vampires. So what?
 
But that's just what I'm saying -- in order to suit the needs of a TV series with a "zombie" protagonist, they've had to devise a cleaned-up, more human version of "zombie" that's really not all that different from the hero vampires and hero werewolves and hero succubi and such that we've gotten in other shows. It's another example of co-opting a formerly hideous, horrific monster and turning it into something more appealing and sanitized so it can function as a hero. It's a familiar trope, that's all. I'm not some purist trying to build walls between definitions; that's not a useful form of analysis, just petty negativity. Heck, I don't even like zombie movies as a rule, so it's not like I'm trying to defend some pure definition of the term and close my mind to anything outside it. I'm just trying to have a discussion about a media trope, the way that monsters are modified to function as heroes. And that often means downplaying or changing a lot of things about them. I'm not denouncing that as wrong, just pointing out that it's different.

In this case, so much is changed that these characters only bear a loose resemblance to previous film zombies. Just being sapient, undecaying, and able to pass as normal humans is a pretty radical change from most screen zombies. I can't really think of any earlier examples of that. Maybe the Pirates of the Caribbean from the movies, though I'm not sure if they were zombies or ghosts, and they only looked human in certain contexts. There are the Reapers from Dead Like Me, but they were never called zombies, didn't eat human flesh, weren't infectious, etc.; they really fell more into the "angel" category, at least the TV/movie version thereof.


Really, the transformation of the word "zombie" over the past half-century has been pretty extraordinary. It's been used to mean so many different things, and has evolved with surprising rapidity, compared to other categories of monster. Traditionally, in West African and Haitian belief, it meant a corpse revived through necromancy and controlled by a sorceror as a mindless slave. According to Wikipedia, the modern idea of zombies began in 1968 with George Romero's Night of the Living Dead, though he drew on earlier stories that weren't identified as zombie fiction, including H.P. Lovecraft's Herbert West -- Reanimator stories and Richard Matheson's vampire novel I Am Legend. And he didn't even use the term "zombie" in his movie, preferring "ghouls." It's kind of mysterious how the "zombie" label ended up being associated so indelibly with his creatures. Then, as I said, the brain-eating trope debuted as recently as 1985 (okay, that's 30 years ago, but it feels recent to me). And in the 2000s, we've gotten innovations such as the fast-moving, intelligent zombie and the concept of the "zombie apocalypse," which has become oddly more pervasive in recent years than other categories of apocalypse. And now we have hero zombies.

Granted, other types of fictional monster have undergone evolution in folklore and fiction. Vampires have changed over the centuries. Bram Stoker introduced a fair amount of new vampire lore, like the shapeshifting and the lack of reflections. The silent film Nosferatu in 1922 introduced the idea of vampires vaporizing in sunlight, though many later versions have downplayed or eliminated that. And of course, these days we have vampires that sparkle. But those accretions have been more gradual, over the past 120 years, while the perception of zombies has changed radically within less than 50 years. Also, the fundamentals of vampires have stayed pretty consistent -- undead blood-drinkers, killed by stakes or decapitation, able to turn others into vampires, etc. Other monsters have stayed pretty consistent in their definitions as well. Werewolves turn from humans to wolves under a full moon, or sometimes at will. Mummies are preserved corpses resurrected by ancient curses. Succubi and incubi are demons that feed on sex. The details change, but the basics are consistent. But the term "zombie" has been applied to several radically different types of monster, from necromancer-controlled slave corpses to flesh-eating ghouls to technically-living victims of virulent bioweapons. The only things they all have in common are mindlessness and some degree of physical decay. And this show's zombies don't even have those qualities, marking a further change in the usage of the term. It's interesting that this one word has been applied so flexibly over such a short span of time, while other monster categories have been defined more consistently.
 
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