Ah, marvelous. I'd come by to post another review and found a couple of bites!
I'm not sure what you're confused about. You don't think that all terrorists are noble, self-sacrificing idealists, don't you?

Surmak had been assistant to the doctor who created the virus, later he had been involved withterrorist groups, but there is nothing to suggest that he was ever suicidal (and he probably didn't even do much that could directly endanger his life, apart from the danger of being revealed as an aide to terrorist groups). Of course he cares about saving his own skin! He's just a selfish asshole unwilling to take responsibility for what he helped create.
Perhaps my... tendency to exaggerate a little miscommunicated my meaning. All I really meant was, Surmak didn't add up quite right for me, but not in a 'this is bad writing way', more like a 'this is nagging, what does it mean' way.
Consider that he seems genuine enough in offering his sympathies to Kira for the inadvertent targets, but then he continued to deny he could help. And this was after cutting her off twice. The entire time he behaves as though there isn't anything he can do, but as soon as he is told he's infected, this man cares (understandably) and then solves the puzzle very quickly from the viewer's standing. All I'm left with is the idea that he's a complete ass.
No, I don't think all terrorists are noble, self-sacrificing idealists. I don't even think most are. But I'd figure this one would be more immediately willing to assist in the rectifying of the now-unnecessary attack, especially since there are quite a few Bajorans on the station.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean when you say that the station residents' hatred of Odo didn't seem real to you?
Consider it my opinion that there was some shoddy directing work going on there, that's all. And some below-par acting in many of the extras assigned to stand and frown at Odo. It all felt off-putting. Staged. You know, wall-breaking.
I started my own rewatch last year but due to circumstances stopped it after "Babel" (I intend to restart it one of these days, combined with my first run of B5). My first impression was that these first 5 episodes were in fact a very good start to the show, whatever people usually say about season 1. I didn't think any of them was bad - even if they weren't as good as later DS9 ("Emissary" is the only great episode among them), they perfectly did the job of introducing the characters, the relationships, some of the themes of the show. It helps that they mostly focus on the characters that the writers had the best grip on from the start - Kira, Odo, Quark, Garak. Odo/Quark dynamic is perfect from the start, the Kira/Odo friendship is also already developed and we get to see a start of two great friendships with Jake/Nog and Bashir/Garak. Lursa and B'etor weren't really necessary, but they didn't really hurt the episode, either.
Yes, I completely agree. It was very wise on the writers' part not to try too hard to break open the characters and dynamics they hadn't gotten a grasp on just yet. It would have turned off some viewers to see a struggle to get some relationships off the ground in just the first few hours. Kira/Odo is great from the beginning, and as I've mentioned a few times now, Odo/Quark is terrific. These three people were on the station for quite some time prior to Starfleet's arrival, especially Quark who I think it's later stated was there since '63. It needs to feel that way, and it does.
As for Lursa and B'Etor, a lot of people are quick to point out that there are all these
TNG pop-ups in the first season and that it's distracting and annoying and unnecessary, but I really can't agree. It's distracting? Maybe a little, but not much, not to me. It's annoying? Well, I can't speak for Q or Lwaxana just yet as it's been so long since I saw those episodes, but the Duras sisters didn't annoy me. It's unnecessary? Within plot, yes, they weren't needed, but they served enough of a role. And from the bigger picture, the obvious ratings grab no doubt assisted in securing the series another six seasons, so... yeah.
One thing I noticed during my aborted rewatch was that, after "Emissary", all the main villains in the next 3 episodes were Bajorans: Tahna Los in "Past Prologue", Ibudan and the mob in "A Man Alone", Surmak Ren in "Babel". It's a sign of how smart and good DS9 was right from the start: with the premise of a very spiritual human-like race who had suffered under a cruel occupation by another, militaristic (and vaguely reptilian! This seems to be a rule on Trek - reptilians = villains) race that has already been established as an enemy of the Federation (=Humans), a lesser show might have taken the easy and obvious route of good Bajorans and evil Cardassians. But DS9 instead takes a more realistic approach and right from the start makes it clear that 1) there are all sorts of Bajorans, and 2) many of them weren't angels during the occupation - it would be naive to think that such a 40-year old ordeal wouldn't produce a lot of hatred, frustration, anger, and wouldn't lead some people to fanaticism and violence in the name of a good cause, or that, on the other hand, there wouldn't be others who would act out of opportunism and betray and abuse their people no less that the occupying forces. I realized that Bajorans were in fact one of the best developed aliens in all of Trek, because they were so diverse. In DS9, we start by meeting a saintly religious figure, and a spunky heroine with a dark past of terrorist/freedom fighter. But then next we see: a fanatic nationalist/extremist who can't accept the new peaceful Bajor; an opportunistic black marketeer; an irresponsible and selfish former terrorist; a bunch of prejudiced and hate-filled people... and in season 1, we are to meet Vedek Bareil but also Vedek Winn, while the start of the next season gives us a reluctant hero and a scheming politician and another extremist group. We get everything: simple Dabo girls like Leet; noble spiritual leaders; well-meaning but misguided people (like Akorem Laan); racist murderers; idealists ready to give their life to prove a point; oily politicians; resistance fighters; reluctant 'collaborators' and victims of what we'd call Stockholm Syndrome; slimy opportunistic willing collaborators like Vaatrik or the sadistic Basso Tromac (one of the most despicable characters in all of Trek, IMO).
That was quite a paragraph!
And quite a point, too. The Bajorans are actually my favorite race in the franchise, and you just summed up why: diversity. They're so bloody realistic, and I do love me some realism in my dramas. It's like comparing
Star Trek: Deep Space Nine to
Stargate Atlantis for example. Two very different shows, but let's take a look at a couple of similarities: both take place on an abandoned station of some sort, both feature a very non-human race presented at their introduction as villains and both show people negatively affected by that race.
In
DS9, not only is that race, the Cardassians, presented quite three-dimensionally over the course of the show, but the victims are as well, and we get to see every facet of how a culture would realistically develop (and regress) from such horrors.
In
Atlantis, certainly the more downright adventure-oriented of the two shows, the victims are very rarely portrayed in such three-dimensional lights, and when they are, it usually stems from worship or something to that extent. And apart from one very important (and very amusing) exception, the Wraith are totally flat-out evil for the entire duration of their stay.
DS9 is a drama.
Atlantis is an adventure. But
DS9 is an adventure as well, and whatever it aims to be, it typically does well. That's a damn good television series right there.
Did we ever get that kind of variety with Humans in Trek? From characters you love despite their flaws, characters you admire, to characters you can't help feeling sorry for, to characters you love to hate, to characters you just despise?[/QUOTE]
Not quite so much. The Maquis served a very much-needed role in helping to grey and murky our fair humanity to a greater extent, and
TNG episodes like the one with Tasha's sister helped on a smaller scale. But the Bajorans... really, by virtue of so much screen time devoted to a plot that brings out all the layers in anyone, really wind up more diverse than our own people in Trek, I think.
I don't really have much to say, but I wanted to pop in and say that while I might not have anything to discuss, I do very much enjoy reading review threads.
Well, even just knowing someone is reading is encouragement! Truth be told, I might well have kept posting even if no one
ever replied, though. It's a nice little place to keep this log.
Most of the review threads I've read have been from newcomers - its an interesting change of perspective, reading a review thread from a fellow re-watcher. So please, don't feel disheartened by the lack of replies! I only visit every once in a while, but when I do stop by the forums I'll happily read your thread and contribute if I have anything meaningful to say (or even just to say 'hey, I'm reading your thread still, keep it up!)
Haha, I'd like if you were to do that from time to time if I seem to have stalled. It could be that at some point life and its many adventures will have taken hold of me for a while and I'll have to stop for several weeks, but coming back and seeing someone reminding me to keep going will be a welcome thing.
Oh, and I totally agree that, while not as amazing as future episodes, the first 5 episodes do a good job of introducing the characters to us. I've recently convinced one of my friends to start watching DS9 and am SO nervous that the hit-and-miss nature of the first two seasons will turn her off the series before it gets great! I'm just hoping that the wonderful character interactions and few diamonds in the rough will hook her in -crosses fingers-
Good luck! My girlfriend has seen the first two seasons of
TNG already, so I'm convinced she can handle everything from 'Sacrifice of Angels' down to 'Meridian'. Girl's got an iron stomach when it comes to bad writing; she'll see the one good line in an episode and laugh at it just as eagerly before acknowledging once the episode's over that it was kind of terrible.