Most likely, yes. Can't say for certain at this early stage, but it's increasingly looking like that the Trek I enjoyed has ended. Oh well, it was inevitable really. I only hope that the newer fans who are pining for something totally different will remember that not everyone is wanting some new Trek continuity.
It's Star Trek Jim, but not as we know it
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Most likely, yes. Can't say for certain at this early stage, but it's increasingly looking like that the Trek I enjoyed has ended. Oh well, it was inevitable really. I only hope that the newer fans who are pining for something totally different will remember that not everyone is wanting some new Trek continuity.
You know, this is the sort of ASSUMPTIONS that are really starting to get to annoy me. Nothing personal... but c'mon...
You know, if you have these two guys standing across from each other giving each other the "Vulcan High-Five," sure, it's just senseless to assume that it takes 20 takes.
Then again, if it's NOT A FRIGGIN' TIME TRAVEL STORY AT ALL... the "dozens of takes" bit makes perfect sense.
They need to get Nimoy in a particular stance... then they need to get Quinto in the exact same stance... so that Nimoy's Spock (in the late 24th or early 25th century) suddenly MORPHS, on-screen, into Quinto's Spock... and we're into the story that Nimoy's Spock is relating to us.
This sort of handoff "morph/dissolve" only works if the lighting, stance, hand-position, facial expression, etc, etc, all match up.
So, ya know, this is yet another indication that the whole "time travel" bit is bullshit, and we're getting what I originally understood the story to be... Elder Spock relating a "how it all came to be" story to his protege.
When I'd been led to believe that there'd been some sort of official statement to the contrary, I was a bit annoyed, since this sort of dramatic change to a script isn't unheard of but really would've ruined the story I expected to see. But now that I know that the source of the "time travel" bit was some guy's IMAGINATION... and nobody on the production team has ever so much as MENTIONED "time travel," well...
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You've got a good point, that no one on J.J.'s team has actually said anything about time-travel. That could be true, and I hope it is... But there's one problem with that.
Romulans.
At the time this story seems to be taking place (before the 5YM), the Feds hadn't seen a Romulan. So I'm not entirely certain where Bana's character would fit in.
Then again, that's part of the fun of waiting this film out. I haven't been this psyched for a Trek film since TMP.
You've got a good point, that no one on J.J.'s team has actually said anything about time-travel. That could be true, and I hope it is... But there's one problem with that.
Romulans.
At the time this story seems to be taking place (before the 5YM), the Feds hadn't seen a Romulan. So I'm not entirely certain where Bana's character would fit in.
Then again, that's part of the fun of waiting this film out. I haven't been this psyched for a Trek film since TMP.
Well, consider this:
1) Nobody in TOS times had seen a Romulan. But they'd seen TONS of Vulcans. And remember, TNG-era over-makeup aside, Romulans are supposed to be, essentially, Vulcans without the emotional control.
SO... seems to me that Romulans could walk around quite freely in the Federation in pre-TOS times... even moreso than after, because nobody would even wonder "Hmm, is that a Vulcan or a Romulan PRETENDING to be a Vulcan." They'd just assume it was a Vulcan.
And...
2) Has anyone ever actually said that Bana's character is THE VILLAIN? Or is that just an assumption?
Here's a hypothetical. I'm not claiming that I've seen anything like this in any script, old or new... I'm just tossing it out as a "what if?" question.
What if Bana is never in the past, but instead is the person that the very old Spock is relating his story about "the Legendary James T. Kirk" to? Maybe he's playing a Romulan who, as it turns out at the end of the movie, is a Starfleet officer on his way to Command School. Maybe the whole point of relating the "real" story of James T. Kirk is to explain to this character that heroes and legends are that way not because they're born with some special privileges, but rather because of how they handle themselves?
Wouldn't it be cool if what's happening here is that Bana is playing a relatively MINOR character in this film... but is being set up to be a leading character in some later Trek film or series?
A Romulan who's a Starfleet Captain? Who's a protege' of former Ambassador Spock, no less? Doesn't it sorta make ya go Hmmm...
Well, that is the big elephant standing in the small room. The entire hand salute multi-take thing could be pure AICN hogwash, although it doesn't seem the usual fodder for such, which tends to be "Enterprise with wings sticking out of it's ring-piece" sorta' stuff.
I actually meant this thread as a kind of hail and farewell to the old guard as much as anything else, but I can see how the vulcan hand salute reference provided the most topical counterpoint source to hang a discussion off of.
It could be. Or it could be real. If it IS real... that's a better indication that they're trying to do a "dissolve" from Old Spock to New Spock (or vice-versa) as the narrative shifts, than it is that they're doing time-travel.
ah but it would depend on how much he learns about elderly spock future.
but one could have fun with it..
i mean it help explains why spock so readily took risks at times.
why not just jump in front of the deadly plant ..it wasnt your day to die.
but in the end maYBE he will just think he is his cousin.
look if the things didnt end with genrations then it isnt going to end with this movie.
Berman is not involved, and resurrecting topics more than a year inactive for a short post that really doesn't add anything substantially new is something you'll probably want to avoid in the future. Closing thread now.
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