ITER is still GO for launch!

[trekkiedane]

Even if it's been dragged a bit longer into the future with first deuterium fusion to take place in 2026.

ITER Council meets in Japan

To bad, some of us might never get to see actual fusion energy delivered to our homes.

But at least the project is still funded, right! - ?

 

[noknowes]

Even if it's been dragged a bit longer into the future with first deuterium fusion to take place in 2026.

ITER Council meets in Japan

To bad, some of us might never get to see actual fusion energy delivered to our homes.

But at least the project is still funded, right! - ?

The ITER council can meet till hell freezes over but I can assure you ITER is a dead duck which will never actually be usable in a practical form or a commercial venture.

It costs a vast amount.It occupies a vast space.It is extremely fragile.

They cannot get any useful energy from it as it is surrounded by a incredibly powerful but delicate magnetic field coil which if it has the slightest imperfection will cause a kink in the plasma causing to touch the sides of the containment vessal ,cool and fizzle out.

Also the ITER is the wrong shape which means it can never actually work on a practical level.

The ITER is a self sustaining expensive juggernaut only funded because of the vast amounts of money wasted on it already.

No one has the guts to admit they made a mistake and pull the funding.

ITER is fundamentally flawed.

It is a white elephant doomed forever to promise fusion 50 years down the line for all eternity.

 

[trekkiedane]

Indeed, and heavier than air flight is impossible.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I read a quote the other day that the neutron flux from the fusion reactions producing 500MW of power in bursts of 1000 seconds at a time will quickly degrade the inner lining of the reaction chamber, and also affect the operation of the superconducting magnets. The argument was that we don't have the materials yet to build a functioning commercial fusion reactor, and we should just give up!

This is basically an engineering problem. It looks like there's a lot of scope for research on self-healing materials and other useful new technologies. The amount spent per year worldwide on fusion research is peanuts compared to other things. The potential payoff is huge.

 

[noknowes]

I read a quote the other day that the neutron flux from the fusion reactions producing 500MW of power in bursts of 1000 seconds at a time will quickly degrade the inner lining of the reaction chamber, and also affect the operation of the superconducting magnets. The argument was that we don't have the materials yet to build a functioning commercial fusion reactor, and we should just give up!

This is basically an engineering problem. It looks like there's a lot of scope for research on self-healing materials and other useful new technologies. The amount spent per year worldwide on fusion research is peanuts compared to other things. The potential payoff is huge.

Even concept originator Robert Bussard admitted a few years ago ITER is fundamentally flawed.

You are right.The inner lining will degrade very quickly and destroy the super duper very,very delicate magnetic field causing instability and cool down.

I do not believe it will even get that far as the chances of it working are the same as trying to balance 2 repelling magnets on top of each other.

ITER is and always will be a massive failure.

People should support the Robert Bussard Polywell reactor concept which would cost $200 to $300 million for proof of concept demonstarator.

 

[chardman]

You are right.The inner lining will degrade very quickly and destroy the super duper very,very delicate magnetic field causing instability and cool down.

I do not believe it will even get that far as the chances of it working are the same as trying to balance 2 repelling magnets on top of each other.

ITER is and always will be a massive failure.

Now now, surely we can salvage the idea by beefing up the existing containment vessel, with a wall of sound from some really bitchin' car stereo speakers.

People should support the Robert Bussard Polywell reactor concept which would cost $200 to $300 million for proof of concept demonstarator.

Demon-stars-ator? That sounds even more exotic than Mammoths with Dino DNA. Please tell us more about these demon stars, and how we might be able to utilize them to destroy nature before it destroys us.

 

[Jadzia]

chardman, repeating these same remarks over and over, dragging them out across multiple threads is getting very tiring, and if you carry on it will be worthy of warnings. Cut it out please.

 

[chardman]

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one Jadzia. Because while I was doing it in a smart-assed way, my post had a very real point.

noknowes has just claimed that

ITER is and always will be a massive failure.

Always? Really? Doesn't that assume that no one will ever come up with a solution to the problems currently plaguing ITER?

He fails to acknowledge the possibility that someone will discover something that everyone else has overlooked, which is both simple and elegant, that will solve the ITER's containment problem.

Something along the lines of his own solution to tornadoes.

And to be perfectly honest, his tornado "destroying" concept isn't without merit, save that we already know that it doesn't work. We know this, because the idea isn't at all original, but has been around long enough, and made enough sense, that NOAA and others have spent millions testing the concept, only to find that it didn't actually work.

However, the concept itself is still sound, and might easily be more successfully applied in other areas. True, I was being facetious when I said that maybe the containment problem could be negated with some good car speakers, and yet something quite similar in principle might well be the very breakthrough that ITER needs to succeed. Certainly not sound waves from big speakers, but something involving harmonic vibrations, or something just as simple, which has been overlooked precisely because no one ever considered that the solution could be so simple.

As far as the rest of it goes; I promise that in the future, when noknowes says dumb shit, I won't make fun of him, per se, but I most assuredly will make fun of whatever dumb shit it is that he's posted. Strictly post, not poster. Fair enough?