So how does an engine imbalance create a wormhole, was this what they were trying to recreate with the excelsior in trek III?
It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first pl
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Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
Because the script needed it to be so.
Because the script needed it to be so.
What do you mean "trying to create?" Do you mean transwarp drive? Do you mean what Scotty did to fuck up the engines? In either case, it was most certainly not to create a wormhole.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
This was my guess as to what the imbalance was and how it created the wormhole:
There was an imbalance of the plasma flow (need further simulation on the flow sensors) to the nacelles causing distorted warp field which is what created the wormhole.
This was my guess as to what the imbalance was and how it created the wormhole:
There was an imbalance of the plasma flow (need further simulation on the flow sensors) to the nacelles causing distorted warp field which is what created the wormhole.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
That's what I was meaning, how far did the enterprise travel while in the wormhole it generated.... Was the transwarp experiment meant to recreate the wormhole as faster than warp means of propulsion?
That's what I was meaning, how far did the enterprise travel while in the wormhole it generated.... Was the transwarp experiment meant to recreate the wormhole as faster than warp means of propulsion?
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
The wormhole generated by Enterprise was probably not a faster means of travel than her planned speed of warp 7. They were at least just over warp one when it formed. It did manage to catch an asteroid in with them before they would slow themselves out of faster than light speeds to break out of the wormhole.
The wormhole generated by Enterprise was probably not a faster means of travel than her planned speed of warp 7. They were at least just over warp one when it formed. It did manage to catch an asteroid in with them before they would slow themselves out of faster than light speeds to break out of the wormhole.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
A wormhole is just a "tunnel" in space connecting two points. The distance it covers and at what speeds can vary enormously, as can the reasons for its creation. The one in TMP was very short and localised and generated by a Warp Engine malfunction.
The technology utilised by the Excelsior has never been elaborated upon on-screen. Many see it as submerging the ship deeper into subspace, allowing much faster travel. Micro wormholes are another just as valid interpretation.
The term "transwarp" itself doesn't really indicate anything other than "beyond warp".
A wormhole is just a "tunnel" in space connecting two points. The distance it covers and at what speeds can vary enormously, as can the reasons for its creation. The one in TMP was very short and localised and generated by a Warp Engine malfunction.
The technology utilised by the Excelsior has never been elaborated upon on-screen. Many see it as submerging the ship deeper into subspace, allowing much faster travel. Micro wormholes are another just as valid interpretation.
The term "transwarp" itself doesn't really indicate anything other than "beyond warp".
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
Warp drive operates by, well, warping space. If the engines aren't working right, and the warp field is unstable, the effects could be catastrophic. Literally anything could happen.
Warp drive operates by, well, warping space. If the engines aren't working right, and the warp field is unstable, the effects could be catastrophic. Literally anything could happen.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
Scotty had placed both warp engines on the port side of the Enterprise. Spock's advanced mind noticed this subtle flaw and had them move one warp engine to the starboard side so now there was one on each side of the ship.
Hence the imbalance was fixed.
Scotty had placed both warp engines on the port side of the Enterprise. Spock's advanced mind noticed this subtle flaw and had them move one warp engine to the starboard side so now there was one on each side of the ship.
Hence the imbalance was fixed.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
The infinite probability drive?
The infinite probability drive?
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
Instead of "drilling straight," it "drilled crooked."
Instead of "drilling straight," it "drilled crooked."
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
I have nothing to back up this interpretation other than my fertile imagination.
This much we know: The Enterprise engines warp space allowing it to travel faster than light.
A Wormhole or "the wormhole effect" caused by the engine imbalance means the Enterprise is in a netherworld between warped space and normal space. Being in both and neither at the same time creates all sorts of odd time distortions as experienced within the Enterprise.
I imagine it's like a surfer riding a wave. Normal space is being underwater where the water drags your ability to move quickly. Warped space is riding the edge of the wave, free of the water's drag allowing you to travel very fast.
The "wormhole effect" is like being half above and half below the water where you are getting tossed about, with no control over your situation until you either submerge or fully surface.
I have nothing to back up this interpretation other than my fertile imagination.
This much we know: The Enterprise engines warp space allowing it to travel faster than light.
A Wormhole or "the wormhole effect" caused by the engine imbalance means the Enterprise is in a netherworld between warped space and normal space. Being in both and neither at the same time creates all sorts of odd time distortions as experienced within the Enterprise.
I imagine it's like a surfer riding a wave. Normal space is being underwater where the water drags your ability to move quickly. Warped space is riding the edge of the wave, free of the water's drag allowing you to travel very fast.
The "wormhole effect" is like being half above and half below the water where you are getting tossed about, with no control over your situation until you either submerge or fully surface.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
Too bad the 1701 refit did not have a symmeterical warp governor (.... but that was a different thread!).
Too bad the 1701 refit did not have a symmeterical warp governor (.... but that was a different thread!).
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
Bistromatics.
Bistromatics.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
Personally I've always liked that 24th Century warp drives are based upon transwarp, and that's why the TNG-era warp scale differs from the one used in TOS.
Personally I've always liked that 24th Century warp drives are based upon transwarp, and that's why the TNG-era warp scale differs from the one used in TOS.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
That would sort of fit with what Janeway said about their ships being half as fast in the 23rd century. Kirk's Enterprise, when going at maximum tolerance to the hull (Warp Factor 14.1), is supposedly the about the new scale's Warp 9.9. USS Voyager, at Warp 9.975 is about twice as fast as that. But the Enterprise-D red lines around warp 9.9 as well, having her maximum cruising speed at Warp 9.6. The old Warp Factor 12 (the theoretical speed the refit Enterprise in TMP in order to get them to Vulcan in four days from Earth) is around Warp 9.4 on TNG scales.
No telling what USS Excelsior's transwarp drive was suppose to do, or if she even did it. But Excelsiors are still running around Starfleet in the Dominon War and supposedly not slowing the fleets down.
That would sort of fit with what Janeway said about their ships being half as fast in the 23rd century. Kirk's Enterprise, when going at maximum tolerance to the hull (Warp Factor 14.1), is supposedly the about the new scale's Warp 9.9. USS Voyager, at Warp 9.975 is about twice as fast as that. But the Enterprise-D red lines around warp 9.9 as well, having her maximum cruising speed at Warp 9.6. The old Warp Factor 12 (the theoretical speed the refit Enterprise in TMP in order to get them to Vulcan in four days from Earth) is around Warp 9.4 on TNG scales.
No telling what USS Excelsior's transwarp drive was suppose to do, or if she even did it. But Excelsiors are still running around Starfleet in the Dominon War and supposedly not slowing the fleets down.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
It's interesting that Kirk knew exactly what was going on as soon as he saw the viewscreen, perhaps the wormhole effect isn't all that unusual and he'd encounter it before.
He already knew what to do to counteract it.
It's interesting that Kirk knew exactly what was going on as soon as he saw the viewscreen, perhaps the wormhole effect isn't all that unusual and he'd encounter it before.
He already knew what to do to counteract it.
Re: It was the Engine Imbalance that created the wormhole in the first
I'd say it was unusual, because engines probably are not used much period, when they're in a condition that could create such a wormhole. But yeah, I agree that Kirk seemed mentally prepared for the possibility it would happen under the circumstances, I'd say just from his years of experience. Too bad he hadn't really brushed up on the refit power systems.
As for counteracting it, there was nothing to be done except wait it out until they fell to sublight speed. The wormhole itself wasn't really harmful. It was the asteroid that fell in ahead, or more precisely the imminent impact with it because navigational deflectors were down, that was the source of danger.
It's interesting that Kirk knew exactly what was going on as soon as he saw the viewscreen, perhaps the wormhole effect isn't all that unusual and he'd encounter it before.
He already knew what to do to counteract it.
I'd say it was unusual, because engines probably are not used much period, when they're in a condition that could create such a wormhole. But yeah, I agree that Kirk seemed mentally prepared for the possibility it would happen under the circumstances, I'd say just from his years of experience. Too bad he hadn't really brushed up on the refit power systems.
As for counteracting it, there was nothing to be done except wait it out until they fell to sublight speed. The wormhole itself wasn't really harmful. It was the asteroid that fell in ahead, or more precisely the imminent impact with it because navigational deflectors were down, that was the source of danger.
