It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie is..

[RAMA]

possible. First of course, there was STNG to finish its movie run, but its been 16 years since STVI was on the screen. Its just long enough for a reawakened nostalgia for the old crew to make it seem like a fresh idea. Its also just long enough after the last new ST production to look on the franchise in perspective, and for the studio to decide it can still be viable. If there had been NO ST revival since 1987, a recast movie like this might have happened anyway at some point because of ST's legendary status.

RAMA

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

A Star Trek revival has always been possible. Star Trek is one of the most successful brand names in marketing history (and yeah that IS how the suits think of it - Coca-Cola, Mickey Mouse, Star Trek). It's just been mis-managed, that's all. So now some of em think they can manage it better. It would have happened sooner or later. Even lying fallow, Star Trek is like having a big bag of money you aren't spending/investing. Why not do something with it? It's not like tribbles, it won't multiply on its own.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

Temis the Vorta said:
A Star Trek revival has always been possible. Star Trek is one of the most successful brand names in marketing history (and yeah that IS how the suits think of it - Coca-Cola, Mickey Mouse, Star Trek). It's just been mis-managed, that's all. So now some of em think they can manage it better. It would have happened sooner or later. Even lying fallow, Star Trek is like having a big bag of money you aren't spending/investing. Why not do something with it? It's not like tribbles, it won't multiply on its own.

I never got the notion that something becomes better sitting around unused... plus we have had a break. Has there been new Trek on tv lately?

Sharr

 

[RAMA]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

Temis the Vorta said:
A Star Trek revival has always been possible. Star Trek is one of the most successful brand names in marketing history (and yeah that IS how the suits think of it - Coca-Cola, Mickey Mouse, Star Trek). It's just been mis-managed, that's all. So now some of em think they can manage it better. It would have happened sooner or later. Even lying fallow, Star Trek is like having a big bag of money you aren't spending/investing. Why not do something with it? It's not like tribbles, it won't multiply on its own.

Honestly, I think the last production team was pretty good, they simply ran out of ideas towards the end, or at the very least, they were incapable of pushing the boundaries. Its the same team that gave us many good stories from STNG, DS9 and a couple of good movies. Voyager and Enterprise may have been more spotty quality-wise, but they had good episodes often enough. After awhile, any production team can develop "hardening of the arteries" (a David Gerrold term), and a new vision was needed.

In today's entertainment climate however, that production team was given the short end of the stick....movies have to have some cache', and that means well known actors, celebrities and a big budget. Even the producers themselves are celebs, and have gotten a lot of attention because of their recent track record. The result is an earlier "buzz" for this movie than ANY I have ever seen for Trek.

RAMA

 

[Tamek]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

RAMA said:

Temis the Vorta said:
A Star Trek revival has always been possible. Star Trek is one of the most successful brand names in marketing history (and yeah that IS how the suits think of it - Coca-Cola, Mickey Mouse, Star Trek). It's just been mis-managed, that's all. So now some of em think they can manage it better. It would have happened sooner or later. Even lying fallow, Star Trek is like having a big bag of money you aren't spending/investing. Why not do something with it? It's not like tribbles, it won't multiply on its own.

Honestly, I think the last production team was pretty good, they simply ran out of ideas towards the end, or at the very least, they were incapable of pushing the boundaries. Its the same team that gave us many good stories from STNG, DS9 and a couple of good movies. Voyager and Enterprise may have been more spotty quality-wise, but they had good episodes often enough. After awhile, any production team can develop "hardening of the arteries" (a David Gerrold term), and a new vision was needed.

In today's entertainment climate however, that production team was given the short end of the stick....movies have to have some cache', and that means well known actors, celebrities and a big budget. Even the producers themselves are celebs, and have gotten a lot of attention because of their recent track record. The result is an earlier "buzz" for this movie than ANY I have ever seen for Trek.

RAMA

How much of that buzz do you think is due to our ability to think over the internet?

Do you think it is more widespread than prior movies?

Not being a jerk here, I'm just asking sincerely.

 

[RAMA]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

Tamek said:

RAMA said:

Temis the Vorta said:
A Star Trek revival has always been possible. Star Trek is one of the most successful brand names in marketing history (and yeah that IS how the suits think of it - Coca-Cola, Mickey Mouse, Star Trek). It's just been mis-managed, that's all. So now some of em think they can manage it better. It would have happened sooner or later. Even lying fallow, Star Trek is like having a big bag of money you aren't spending/investing. Why not do something with it? It's not like tribbles, it won't multiply on its own.

Honestly, I think the last production team was pretty good, they simply ran out of ideas towards the end, or at the very least, they were incapable of pushing the boundaries. Its the same team that gave us many good stories from STNG, DS9 and a couple of good movies. Voyager and Enterprise may have been more spotty quality-wise, but they had good episodes often enough. After awhile, any production team can develop "hardening of the arteries" (a David Gerrold term), and a new vision was needed.

In today's entertainment climate however, that production team was given the short end of the stick....movies have to have some cache', and that means well known actors, celebrities and a big budget. Even the producers themselves are celebs, and have gotten a lot of attention because of their recent track record. The result is an earlier "buzz" for this movie than ANY I have ever seen for Trek.

RAMA

How much of that buzz do you think is due to our ability to think over the internet?

Do you think it is more widespread than prior movies?

Not being a jerk here, I'm just asking sincerely.

Not just our ability, but the media. I've never seen the media covering a Trek movie so consistently this early(as was brought up by someone in an earlier post). A lot of it is internet stories, but the internet WAS around for 4 ST movies. I still can't recall this attention. It JUST started filming and we're all over it. Any news we see, and the site immediately is going to have server issues!

RAMA

 

[Kegek]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

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It's quite simple. Trekkies are a cultic group, a dedicated fanbase to a franchise.

A franchise which hasn't put out so much as a minute of new material in years. This movie, and scraps of anything that fall from it, are manna in the desert for these ravenous nerds.

 

[Trekwatcher]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

Plus, the whole notion of the Kirk/Spock roles being played by other actors is generating a ton of press. There was also heavy press coverage for the other movies (Anybody remember the full page ads to commemorate the start of filming TMP in The New York Times?), but this has a crossover/mainstream media appeal given the TOS angle.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

RAMA said:
If there had been NO ST revival since 1987, a recast movie like this might have happened anyway at some point because of ST's legendary status.

Original casting ideas for ST:TMP, before it switched to a TV series revival called "Star Trek: Phase II" and then back to a telemovie and/or theatrical feature again, included actors the calibre of Paul Newman and Robert Redford playing Kirk and Spock - with Gene Roddenberry, on a whim, inviting Walter Koenig to play... Chekov's father!

 

[Kegek]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

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Paul Newman, eh?

Sure, sure[/Mussberger]...

I would have liked to see that. Not sold on Redford as Spock, though.

 

[Holytomato]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

"A franchise which hasn't put out so much as a minute of new material in years."

TOS Relaunch, Vanguard, ADB's Star Fleet Universe, New Voyages, Farragut, Exeter, TAS online comix, IDW comix, Star Trek Encounters, Star Trek Legacy, DS9 Relaunch, SCE, Titan?

 

[Sci]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

Holytomato said:
"A franchise which hasn't put out so much as a minute of new material in years."

TOS Relaunch, Vanguard, ADB's Star Fleet Universe, New Voyages, Farragut, Exeter, TAS online comix, IDW comix, Star Trek Encounters, Star Trek Legacy, DS9 Relaunch, SCE, Titan?

I believe he was referring to live-action material -- hence the use of the term "minute" as a unit of measure, as opposed to "page. And, indeed, no new live-action Star Trek material has been produced since early spring of 2005 (unless one counts the TOS Remastering).

 

[Kegek]

Re: It occurred to me, its only NOW that a recast TOS movie

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Indeed. And I wouldn't count TOS-R. It's good work, but it's basically reworking established material - not something new from whole cloth.