Really?
It is September 10th, 2001, and...
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Really?
Well, so I read.
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Nothing has been released yet, but it seems more than a few top bloggers are putting their reputations behind it. With something this potentially damaging to Obama and many other Democrats in the coming election, I would assume that their proceeding carefully and working up campaign ads.
On the other hand, Obama is on an unpopular side of the issue, and such a find would give himself and many other Democrats and much welcomed opportunity to change their position in light of new information - [Obama voice] "We had been assured that it was a mosque built by moderates looking to extend the hand of friendship, but now we find it's being built by radicals who share many of the views of the 9/11 attackers. Even though they have a right to build the mosque, we don't think it's wise, and indeed, it could be very damaging to Muslim relations with the West."
It wouldn't be the first preacher he's thrown under the bus.
I am having a hard time taking anything seriously that comes from a website called "Weasel Zippers."
That's not saying much.
Weasel Zippers, a strange name, is Steve Emerson. Steve has been a guest on Bill Bennet's show (his brother was Bill Clinton's lawyer). Audio link
Ace of Spades and Atlas Shrugs are also covering it.
We already knew the imam was a radical, having said publically that the US shared the blame for the attack, among other things.
Ace of Spades and Atlas Shrugs are also covering it.
We already knew the imam was a radical, having said publically that the US shared the blame for the attack, among other things.
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In what context? It's undeniable that American policy in the Middle East served as the impetus for 9/11; and the linguistic line between "blame", "responsibility", "served as a necessary condition for..", etc. is murky at best, particularly if one is talking off the cuff and it's a translation or if English is not his first language. In the sense of "this wouldn't have happened if..." America was absolutely 'responsible' for what happened. In the sense of "... and so they got what they deserved", absolutely not. So no, I wouldn't accept a lone soundbyte as evidence that the man is one step away from Al Qaeda.
Just for the record, I know nothing about the man beyond what you've said here and little more about the surrounding mosque issue.
Rauf said, "in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA."
This has often been repeated like a mantra by people who claim Osama was trained by the CIA, along with the CIA founding and equipping the Taliban. Neither claim has even a sliver of merit. Osama hated the US more than Russia even when he was in Afghanistan (according to Osama). The Taliban didn't even exist until Clinton's second term. They violently overthrew the Mujahideen we had supported under Reagan.
When Rudy Guilliani was mayor of New York he said Rauf supported radical causes, and even Blumberg acknowledges that Rauf is a supporter of Hamas, a terrorist organization.
This has often been repeated like a mantra by people who claim Osama was trained by the CIA, along with the CIA founding and equipping the Taliban. Neither claim has even a sliver of merit. Osama hated the US more than Russia even when he was in Afghanistan (according to Osama). The Taliban didn't even exist until Clinton's second term. They violently overthrew the Mujahideen we had supported under Reagan.
When Rudy Guilliani was mayor of New York he said Rauf supported radical causes, and even Blumberg acknowledges that Rauf is a supporter of Hamas, a terrorist organization.
Glenn Back said the same thing. Where's the backlash against him, I wonder.
With the former, I would rely on the fact that the Secret Service had not come into existence yet, which would very probably mean that I could get into the direct presence of Abe himself - even if while being knocked to the ground by others. Were I then to shout out any number of things regarding the Civil War that I know now from the History Channel, but were not common knowledge back then, I feel sure I could get his attention.
With Pompeii, I would run into the problem of not speaking any languages contemporary to the time except for Hebrew. But provided there was a Hebrew speaker present, I would probably pretend to be a mystic and warn them that the Roman god Vulcan had sent me visions that the volcano was erupting - that and the ominous smoke ought to get at least some people to leave. (By strange coincidence, the day before the eruption was Vulcanalia - which ought to lend some credence to my claims.)
But I wouldn't have to deal with Pompeii, anyway - one of my conditions was that we would be in our own bodies of the time, and I wasn't alive that far back.
what you do with that little time to prepare is make a smaller 9/11, better 3 or 4 planes go up on the tarmac than letting the planes get in the air, now, if it were September 9th or 8th I could target the hijackers and to the knowledge of the government and maybe the public, a decent sized Islamic terror cell will have simply disappeared overnight.
You know the names of all the hijackers, the flight numbers and when/where exactly the planes took off from by heart? Impressive.
I'd guess the bomb threat idea is the best shot, or maybe if you're American go to Boston Airport the morning of 9/11, try to locate Atta and stab him.
You could always try pidgin Latin -- but a centurion would probably come along and correct your grammar, then make you write it 100 times.
Problem is, I wouldn't have memorized enough details to be able to stop it. I barely know the flight numbers, and don't know what airport and what time they took off.
Bomb threat the WTC so that it gets evacuated in time.
Bomb threat the WTC so that it gets evacuated in time.
Interesting. If my mind and consciousness suddenly teleported into my body on september 10th, 2001, I would be in 6th grade and approximately 12-13 years old. I also would be with the rest of my class at a week-long beach camp on the southern shore of Taiwan. (I went to an American international school there).
When 9/11 actually did happen, our teachers decided not to tell us about it. There were also no TV's that me and the rest of the students had access to, and being in the 6th grade in 2001, not a lot of kids had cell phones. Instead, they told us (and i remember everyone being a little unnerved by the teachers' solemnesss) that "some of us might have heard about some things going on in the world right now, and right now there's a lot of confusion, etc etc". I shrugged it off and had fun for another day and a half without knowing.
So then come two days later on september 13 we finally got home and my mom asked me if i knew what happened, about the world trade center. I was like "What are the world trade centers?"
So to answer your original question I don't know. The teleporation experience would be so overwhelming that I think other things, such as going from age 20 to 13 again, surrounded by hormonal pubescent middle-schoolers would be a bigger issue.
I probably wouldn't do anything and possibly not even remember.
Even if it was possible to prevent the event from happening, I would have no way of reasonably knowing that nothing worse would come along later. The Taliban may develop a more catastrophic scenario later if delayed.
When 9/11 actually did happen, our teachers decided not to tell us about it. There were also no TV's that me and the rest of the students had access to, and being in the 6th grade in 2001, not a lot of kids had cell phones. Instead, they told us (and i remember everyone being a little unnerved by the teachers' solemnesss) that "some of us might have heard about some things going on in the world right now, and right now there's a lot of confusion, etc etc". I shrugged it off and had fun for another day and a half without knowing.
So then come two days later on september 13 we finally got home and my mom asked me if i knew what happened, about the world trade center. I was like "What are the world trade centers?"
So to answer your original question I don't know. The teleporation experience would be so overwhelming that I think other things, such as going from age 20 to 13 again, surrounded by hormonal pubescent middle-schoolers would be a bigger issue.
I probably wouldn't do anything and possibly not even remember.
Even if it was possible to prevent the event from happening, I would have no way of reasonably knowing that nothing worse would come along later. The Taliban may develop a more catastrophic scenario later if delayed.
Considering I live half a world away...
I'd be in Sydney, probably, so I'd phone in bomb threats from phone boxes across the city, making each one more urgent and convincing, timing the last one for 8AM NY time. That would be enough time to get people out and they'd still be out when the planes hit.
If they caught me after that, I'd face up to it, because it was right.
Oh, and someone better to remember the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania - the only reason that plane crashed was because they heard about it from family and friends via phone.
Bomb threats to the airport would work as a delaying mechanism, but there'd have to be a way to stop them after that.
I'd be in Sydney, probably, so I'd phone in bomb threats from phone boxes across the city, making each one more urgent and convincing, timing the last one for 8AM NY time. That would be enough time to get people out and they'd still be out when the planes hit.
If they caught me after that, I'd face up to it, because it was right.
Oh, and someone better to remember the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania - the only reason that plane crashed was because they heard about it from family and friends via phone.
Bomb threats to the airport would work as a delaying mechanism, but there'd have to be a way to stop them after that.
Frakking toasters!
In this scenario, you aren't "able" to travel back in time. It has just happened by means beyond your control, but you are reasonably sure that it won't happen again - i.e., you didn't understand the workings of the equipment used, and it is in the 2010 you just left behind.
Do you realize you have violated the Temporary Prime Directive and you'd be facing a court martial after you are extradited to your time?
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