IDK somehow it works..including the Harrison Ford addition..lol
Is Toxic "Star Wars" Fandom Imploding?
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Your original statement included films and tv series. That you should stop watching if you don't like it is my entire point. And what holds true for tv also still holds true for movie series, as well, just on a different scale.
Nothing in this paragraph has anything to do with the statement you're replying to.
And? Tv shows were still produced for the lowest common denominator. TOS was made as cheaply as they could possibly get away with, and with a very generous helping of assuming the audience will swallow whatever crap they can manage to throw together this week (*cough* Spock's Brain *cough).
Pffft. That's not true at all in the context of the time.
No, the economics of television and theatrical film distribution are not the same now nor were they then. Trying create a false equivalency and wrongly co-opting a point regarding a theatrical film release and apply it to television is most definitely a fallacious argument. Very Weak on your part.
A modern film with say a $200 million dollar budget and another $100 million ad budget requires a significant percentage of moviegoers see it more than once to be a success for them. Success being defined as meeting or exceeding projections. Seeing it once does not significantly aid in that goal. If, based on that one viewing, a person successfully dissuades his family and friends from seeing it then that actively works against the studios goals and erases any benefit the individual's initial viewing may have generated.
For television it is a bit different. An episode airs. If you are part of a monitored family and watch it (whether you liked it or not) you've supported it … for that week. If you and others based on that experience decide not to watch the next week then the numbers go down. If the ads were on the condition of delivering a minimum of a particular rating or demographic chaos can ensue which could ultimately result in cancellation.
The road taken by TV shows and theatrically released movies are different.
The fundamental short coming of yours and others folks arguments is your premise the individual, their voice and vote, does not count. I maintain it does. Sometimes directly. Sometimes indirectly. sometimes both, but never neither. People speaking up does matter and they are heard either as a single voice or as a chorus.
Incorrect. Some were made for the LCD. In the 1950's through the 70's networks also strove for "prestige" productions to show they could be as legitimate as theater and as quality as motion pictures. Executives also took pride in what they aired on their networks. Even hit shows that solely appealed to the LCD were not immune from cancellation (Gilligan's Island and Beverly Hillbillies are famous examples).
TOS was initially approved as a prestige program. Even prestige shows have bad episodes, but that goes back to my previous statements regarding trends (as opposed to bumps). Sure season 3 of Star Trek had some clunkers. So did season 1 and 2. The fate of TOS by season 3, however, had already been decided. So it was an outlier. An anomaly. Not relevant to any points currently being discussed.
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So does this make Chewbacca the "dog-faced boy" referenced by Kirk in the episode "This Side of Paradise"?
Or possibly the source of this joke:
I never said the individual voice does not count. I said that companies care about sales, not message boards.
No one from Paramount is ever going to read your posts on this message board to help them decide what they should or shouldn't do in the next Star Trek movie. Your voice can affect word of mouth - yes! This will have some (small) effect on the company, because it will change their bottom line. But they're still not listening to what you say. They're just looking at numbers. When they want to interpret those numbers, they have their own methods (which have nothing to do with internet forums) for determining what people do or don't like or want.
This is equally true for both tv shows and movies.
Trek had a reasonably high budget for the time, but it was a budget that was woefully inadequate for the stories being told. Unlike all the other contemporary shows with similar budgets, Trek moved around from episode to episode, constantly needing new sets, costumes, props often in wildly different styles. It was as cheap as it could possibly get away with.
Yup. GR was constantly doing rewrites himself since they couldn't always afford to have the writer come back. He often imagined rather simplistic ideas to get around huge sci fi concepts (i.e. people being turned in to foam blocks to save on extras).
The show was expensive. That's why they cut corners were they could.
While that's true, individual heckling does get noticed by some. Remember Roberto Orci's meltdowns like this one?
http://flavorwire.com/414050/star-t...roves-creators-need-to-leave-angry-fans-alone
You can argue that the heckling only makes creators dig in their heels, but don't assume that individual chatter never gets read by people in Hollywood.
Like female lead super hero movies. Catwoman flopped despite a big name, big budget and a known property thus the problem must be the fact that its a female lead. Hence why we didn't get another go until Wonder Woman.
Some creators will read stuff from time to time. That's obviously true. Most of them say they don't or that you shouldn't, but we have no idea how many of them really hold themselves to that and how firmly. I imagine many give into the temptation at least once or twice over their careers.
But since we're talking about franchises that are driven primarily by corporate decision making, not individual long term decision makers, it isn't very relevant.
I guess you could say it's that, in that it's clearly intended to be enjoyed and consumed by children. But to say that's all it is is really to miss the point. The implication of what you're saying is that there are hundreds of millions of age-inappropriate Star Wars fans out there. That can't be right, for a variety of reasons.
And?
Why can't it be right? People enjoy lots of things that are not meant for them, or age-inappropriate. I'm not saying this isn't necessary for Star Wars, but more that I am curious as to why millions of Star Wars fans can't be wrong?