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Is TOS still futuristic?

Warped9

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There's concept and there's execution.

TOS suffers today (to some extent) by having been made four decades ago. For many viewers they can't get past the look of TOS and how it depicted some of its concepts. And of course it was inevitable that a show like ENT would take criticism because for many it didn't look convincingly pre TOS.

But while one can quibble about some of the execution after all these years are there still aspects of TOS that are convincingly futuristic conceptually?

Teleportation and FTL star travel as well as FTL communications are still very futuristic concepts. The communicator is certainly more than just a cel phone having to be able to transmit/receive signals over tens of thousands of miles without a support network of any kind--there's nothing remotely like that in the foreseeable future. And although the terminology is different from the sequel series the idea of processing any kind of food and resources and articles (likely from raw materials) is still far beyond our means.

The ship's computers don't appear to operate in a way we think more credible and yet they are managing this vast sophisticated construct that is a starship and manage navigating it at unholy FTL speeds over incredible interstellar distances. There are also sensors that are incredibly sophisticated able to detect small traces of organic matter over great distances, able to read an object or material's composition and even can discern between different types of life forms. We can't do anything like that without an onsite and/or in-hand analysis.

So how much of TOS is still futuristic or conversely outdated? And how much of it is the manner in which ideas are depicted an injustice to the ideas?
 
I'd say some parts are still futuristic, or at least more advanced and different than present technology, but doesn't follow logically from advances in reality. For instance the computer is able to understand vocal commands with extreme precision and respond verbally, but the voice it uses is very crude.

TOS user interfaces seem to work without displays to a great extent, the navigation console doesn't seem to have any readable output at all, but still Sulu and Chekov are able to discern a lot of information in some manner. This looks very advanced but doesn't follow logically from current trends in user interface technology.
 
I think that soon, TOS fans will regret that it did not include humanoid robot crew members. With NASA's launching of the Robonaut (and Japan's intent to do similar)... TOS will be seen as a false future, due to it's lacking of any such crew members.
 
^^ Well we did see sophisticated androids. Think "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" and "Requiem For Methuselah" rather than "I, Mudd." And Spock did make reference to a robotic ship in "By Any Other Name."
 
I think it is...in the next 50-75 years or so...maybe not...but by then some will be enjoy a new Star Trek and look at TOS with fond nostalgia. :)
 
No. It's impossible to be true to TOS and try to seriously project into the technological and cultural future. For that matter, it's impossible to be true to TOS and be up-to-date with the present.

This is true of just about all space opera, though. The form itself involves assumptions that are dated nonsense.
 
Energy storage is WAYYY beyond what can be conceived of using todays technology..

the hand phasers..highly advanced concept..from the Phaser 1 to the II..how many Joules would it take to vaporize a human body?..and these devices can do it over and over.. and fit in the palm of your hand...


ok so the controls are strictly 1960's stereo based.. but one works with what one has...
 
A 60's cool "Retro-futuristic" for me.


This is actually sort of how I look at Star Trek. The Original Series is obviously a product of the 1960s, but what sets it apart from the rest of science fiction during this era, is that Star Trek had a vision. Keep in mind that there actually have been inventions, however gimmicky or minor, that were inspired by Star Trek.

It's very "Retro-Futurist," though, isn't it? Especially by now...
 
If this is a topic about technology, I leave that to those better versed. The philosophy behind Star Trek, though, is terribly out of mode. I think we assumed back then that our mores would not change. Kirk was entirely recognizable to us in the 1960s because he represented an idealization of our collective morality. He was what we wanted in a hero. He was safe and predictable.
Humans were in control of their own destiny. They had outgrown their god (of course, the tv writers had to be terribly careful there, but the basic humanist philosophy came through anyway). And men were superior to their machines. They were purpose-driven, optimistic, moral and just, seeking their own betterment.

I believe these are the aspects younger viewers most consider "cheesy" and "corny." They are not only light-years away from how man is depicted today, but are in fact no longer the things we aspire to today.

So no, TOS is not futuristic. It is a relic. One I value highly.
 
^^ Initially I was speaking in technological terms. But you raise a valid point about TOS' depiction of humanity. But forty years isn't even a blink in terms of human evolution--we are essentially the same as our distant ancestors. One must ask if we really valued being moral and just when TOS was made.

I find many of TOS' concepts still valid in terms of being futuristic. And some some not so much, but that could be tainted by the cynicism of our age that is difficult to escape. One idea that seems hard to accept even if given all the technological advancements is that idea of us launching fleets of starships like some futuristic version of a contemporary navy primarily for the purpose of deep space exploration and contact with alien intelligence. It sounds ideal, but it hardly seems likely. In regards to star travel much of TOS' concept only makes some sense if energy production and storage and space travel becomes ridiculously easy and cheap (by our standards). Star travel would have to be as near easy as jet air travel today.
 
TOS suffers today (to some extent) by having been made four decades ago. For many viewers they can't get past the look of TOS and how it depicted some of its concepts. And of course it was inevitable that a show like ENT would take criticism because for many it didn't look convincingly pre TOS.

The look of TOS still holds up in my opinion. Granted, when compared to the special effects, set designs, and costumes of current sci-fi productions, TOS does seem rather out-dated. In fact, that's why TOS is my least favorite of the franchise (and the source of my tongue-in-cheek signature :p). Also, it's not that I don't like TOS. I do like it, a lot. It's just that I grew up with the spin-offs and like them more.

However, there's something that makes this acceptable - suspension of disbelief. I'm willing to accept the show as it is (even things like Kirk fighting guys in lizard suits and multiple alien cultures based on one tiny aspect of Earth history) because I suspend disbelief and simply believe that it is futuristic.

Also, this is one of the major criticisms leveled at ENT that I've simply never understood. Of course it doesn't look like TOS. How the hell could it?! Are we honestly supposed to believe that if TOS had access to modern movie/television making technolgy that they would still make the show look the way they did the 60s? :wtf: Conversely, are we honestly supposed to believe that a show made in the 21st century should have similar production values to Lost in Space? :wtf: Again, it's called suspension of disbelief. I'm willing to accept that ENT's technology is pre-TOS because I simply suspend my disbelief and accept it.
 
I agree that it is 60s retro futuristic.

It reminds me also of Max Headroom that was 80s retro futuristic.

I always liked the background art -- like in Cloudminders and the female Romulan commander's quarters in The Enterprise Incident.

There are a few odd things like no female captains, etc that make it from the 1960s but overall they did show a pretty good society. Earth had come through some dark times and rallied to become a unified, space-going society.
 
I agree that it is 60s retro futuristic.

It reminds me also of Max Headroom that was 80s retro futuristic.

"Retro futuristic" is exactly equivalent to saying "frog-elephant." Unwillingly, accidentally or not what one is actually saying is "I admit that it's not futuristic."

"Max Headroom" was cool. A lot of steampunk is cool. That does not make it something which it is not.
 
A Spaceship traveling through the galaxy & achieving warp speed & meeting cool aliens is still futuristic IMO. Most of the gadgets still hold up, like the transporter, replicator, phasers, etc.
 
There are a few odd things like no female captains, etc that make it from the 1960s but overall they did show a pretty good society.
When it comes the what the Human culture will be in the second half of the 23rd century, the attitude's just as likely to be 1960's as it is 2010's. Or something else completely different. There's no telling.

The philosophy behind Star Trek, though, is terribly out of mode.

Humans were in control of their own destiny.
superior to their machines.
They were purpose-driven,
optimistic
moral
just
seeking their own betterment.

...but are in fact no longer the things we aspire to today.
With all respect, speak for yourself.

:)
 
A Spaceship traveling through the galaxy & achieving warp speed & meeting cool aliens is still futuristic IMO. Most of the gadgets still hold up, like the transporter, replicator, phasers, etc.

Agreed.
 
The ONE thing that TOS got, dead-on, and one that I'll give Roddenberry huge credit for, is that the show just "assumed" the technology. They rarely if ever stopped to explain how things worked.

I may have driven fans mad trying to back-explain matter and antimatter, but the beauty of the drama of the show was that we were never subject to expository bull about metaphasic particles, or whatever.

Give me a "beam me up", and not a "pattern buffer", any day.
 
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