Curious.
I seem to recall that in order to see these 'not movies' as Scorpio called them...you'd have to go to what's called a 'movie theater' wherein they show...'movies'.
I'm sure my definition varies.
It's put on the big screen, it's a movie, this is the eleventh one and to hell with stupid, vaguely insulting wording.
"Stupid wording?"..that's the best you can come up with?
There is a perception out there that TREK movies are just two-hour episodes, and in many cases, not even good ones....if you don't believe me, then go read the reviews for some of them.
This is the second movie, only the second of all of them, that is being treated as a big movie event in the hollywood papers. All of the other movies after TMP were low budget events that sometimes rose above their quality and attracted outside (meaning non-fans) to see them...
Incase you haven't noticed, this movie is being aimed at NON-fans which is why many on this site, and who knows maybe even you, don't really seem to be behind 100%...because it isn't being made for the continuity buffs, and that side of the fandome house....
And the poster who said "if its on the screen then its a movie"..well, buddy boy, thats the kind of attitude Paramount has taken with TREK-movies for all this time and look at the 'finished' product we got....
Reality is hard to face....but it can not be denied...
Rob
Oh brother.
That's NOT the point. The point is the previous ten movies were released in movie theaters and were released as movies.
Saying they are not movies is rather silly and rather presumptuous. By taking the tact you're taking, you seem to be insulting all the work which went into the other movies.
Whether or not they're 'viewed' as two-hour episodes should hardly be a requirement for the other movies to be qualified as movies.
I'm all for wanting this movie to be good but to call it the FIRST real movie is pretty damn presumptuous to do.
Did you LIKE any of the previous cinematic efforts?
Star Trek: TMP's budget spiraled out of control from its original TV movie budget. Star Trek II's budget was reduced accordingly and produced more in line with real budgeting. As time went on, the budgets got higher and higher as the movies were regarded as more and more profitable.
There should be nothing in these previous efforts to deem them 'not movies'. That certainly was not their intention.
And besides, how do you know this new movie won't come off as a two hour long episode?
Kirk, are you really going to sit there and tell me that the bulk of STAR TREK movies have been 'bonafied' movie attempts. Look...3-4-5-8-9 were made by stars of the TV SHOWS. #7 was directed by a TV show director...and 10 was directed by someone who may be a great editor, but hardly a good director...
Nothing against them, but when you let TV actors direct MAJOR MOVIES you are in essence telling the rest of the world, outside of TREK fans, that we are really just making TV movies with TV stars directed by TV Star/directors...perception is what I am talking about. And while I like Nicholas Meyer, what has he really done outside of 2 and 6?
The sets from these movies were primarily sets built for Phase II and then revamped for TMP....the Engineering set, with a few modifications, is just as it was when it was built in 1976. So from 1976 until at least Insurrection, the bulk of all those movies, and more importantly, TV shows were all filmed on the same sets..and you think JOE Q public doesn't notice this..they do...its called LOW BUDGET movie making..in fact, Harve Bennett loves to brag how he filmed SEARCH FOR SPOCK on pretty much ONE set....(by the way. They go with Nimoy-Shatner-Frakes as director so they don't have to pay for a real one)
In some of those movies they didn't even bother to redress the hallways...so when JOE Q PUBLIC spends big bucks to see a movie from TREK's past, you have the gall to tell them this is a major movie effort...if you do, then you, just like Berman, don't understand the difference between a movie and a tv-show...MOVIES are supposed to be of a higher quality..and we get Nemesis? We get Insurrections??
Sorry Kirk. You come off as a biased TREK fan, and thats cool, because this is a TREK fan board. But I have a test for you. Invite your buddies over and show them Star Trek Insurrection and then show them ID4 and you ask them which movie was worth full-price to see at the theatre, and which one was best suited for TV...
This STAR TREK Movie, this new one, is getting the big screen treatment that NO OTHER TREK MOVIE since TMP has ever recieved...thats my point...and I think, if you're honest, you will see that Trek movies from the past, and I love them too, heck I think V is the bomb...but in retrospec? Paramount has been feeding us groudbeef. It has its moment, but for Godsake, I WANT A FRICKING KICK ASS BIG SCOPE movie...oh, and JOE Q PUBLIC has been demanding that for years, or had Nemesis/Insurrection box office fooled you
Rob
