Is this a better NEMESIS final scene idea?

[Galileo7]

I know that some did not like the Travel Pod flyover scene of the Constitution class 1701-refit Enterprise in drydock by Scotty and Kirk in TMP (as we know an abridged version scene was used again in TWOK), I loved it along with the rest of the audience that I sat with on Friday December 7th 1979.

This gets me to my point, at the end of NEMESIS we get a glimpse of the Sovereign class 1701-E in drydock being repaired, albeit it was not enough screen time. Instead of being in the Captain's Ready Room, I think the scene would have been much better if it had LaForge, Picard and B4 in a Travel Pod flyover doing an inspection of the 1701-E while Picard talks to B4 and LaForge...IMHO.

So,the question that I ask is this visually a better NEMESIS final scene idea giving a nod the TMP ?



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[RoJoHen]

I didn't like the idea of the ship being in drydock at all. I don't like seeing our hero ship crippled. It was fine at the beginning of TMP because it was more of an introduction, seeing our old girl being reborn. But seeing the Ent-E broken in drydock was just a very anti-climactic way to end the movie.

 

[Galileo7]

^Agree, perhaps the scene should have had the 1701-E repairs already completed in drydock.

 

[3chordboy]

I didn't like the idea of the ship being in drydock at all. I don't like seeing our hero ship crippled. It was fine at the beginning of TMP because it was more of an introduction, seeing our old girl being given reborn. But seeing the Ent-E broken in drydock was just a very anti-climactic way to end the movie.

totally agree with this. i would've preferred an earth-based final scene than what we got

 

[Therin of Andor]

^Agree, perhaps the scene should have had the 1701-E repairs already completed in drydock.

If too much time has elapsed (weeks, months), they won't be as weepy over the loss of Data.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Doesn't seem like it would be an improvement to me.

Any changes to the ending would have needed to better show how Captain Picard dealt with his wound, not the bloody ship.

 

[Caesar753]

I didn't like the idea of the ship being in drydock at all. I don't like seeing our hero ship crippled. It was fine at the beginning of TMP because it was more of an introduction, seeing our old girl being reborn. But seeing the Ent-E broken in drydock was just a very anti-climactic way to end the movie.

I don't agree. I didn't think of that scene as portraying "our hero ship crippled" but instead being repaired and prepared for it's next journey. I always thought that the end of Nemesis was full of hope for the adventures to come.

 

[JWD75]

Personally I thought that the final scene in Nemesis was the best part of the movie.

 

[Ghrakh]

I think there should have been a welcome home parade.

 

[Galileo7]

Instead of being in the Captain's Ready Room, I think the scene would have been much better if it had LaForge, Picard and B4 in a Travel Pod flyover doing an inspection of the 1701-E while Picard talks to B4 and LaForge...IMHO.

So,the question that I ask is this visually a better NEMESIS final scene idea giving a nod the TMP ?



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Thoughts on this?

 

[Broccoli]

The best final scene they could have done was to have the entire main cast have an orgy on the bridge in honor of Data. Honestly, it makes the most sense.

 

[Dukhat]

Instead of being in the Captain's Ready Room, I think the scene would have been much better if it had LaForge, Picard and B4 in a Travel Pod flyover doing an inspection of the 1701-E while Picard talks to B4 and LaForge...IMHO.

So,the question that I ask is this visually a better NEMESIS final scene idea giving a nod the TMP ?



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Thoughts on this?

Is there a reason why you felt the need to quote your own OP just to bump the thread, or are you that impatient to receive an answer?

OK, fine, here's my answer: You have to understand that at the time, the producers weren't thinking that Nemesis was going to be the last TNG movie. If they did, then Data dying would have been pointless because he only died because Spiner didn't want to play him anymore in future films. Hence, there was no need to have any "final" closing scene to conclude the movie series.

Now, as far as your idea is concerned...perhaps it might have worked well if this was the Enterprise-D they were looking at...you, know, the ship we all obediently watched for seven years on television and had a great familiarity with. Not some new monstrosity that we'd only seen in two previous films for a total of about eight hours. I never had any particular affection toward the Enterprise-E, not like the D, the TOS Ent, or the TMP refit, so some extra ten minutes of flyby wouldn't have done anything for me even if I knew that Nemesis would be the last time we saw her or her crew.

 

[LOKAI of CHERON]

I think there should have been a welcome home parade.

A hero's welcome, son? Is that what you'd like? Well God knows there should be. This time we paid for the party with our dearest blood.

 

[BriGuy]

I didn't like the idea of the ship being in drydock at all. I don't like seeing our hero ship crippled. It was fine at the beginning of TMP because it was more of an introduction, seeing our old girl being reborn. But seeing the Ent-E broken in drydock was just a very anti-climactic way to end the movie.

I don't think so.

The ship suffered so much damage, possibly catastrophic, it would've been easy to think it was destroyed, damaged beyond repair, etc. Might have been more realistic to think that the ship could not have been repaired, or it would've simply been not worth the effort to repair it.

That scene actually showed that the ship survived, was repaired and was actually well on the way to being back in service. So we see the Ent-E lives, it was meant to be a high point and it was.

Having it fixed already? That wouldn't be as effective.

As for the original idea, I don't think it would make much difference. Not worth it, bigger fish to fry.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Maybe they should have bitten the bullet and designed a USS Titan, and ended "Nemesis" farewelling the Rikers, and a few cameo faces from TNG as crew, as they ventured off onto their own spin-off series of telemovies?

That also would have worked so much better with "These are the Voyages...", the finale of "Enterprise". How much more believable to see now-Captain Riker filled with self-doubt about shipping off on the Titan, than seeing poor ol' Frakes and Sirtis pretending to be thinner and younger in scenes from "The Pegasus"?

 

[MANT!]

Maybe they should have bitten the bullet and designed a USS Titan, and ended "Nemesis" farewelling the Rikers, and a few cameo faces from TNG as crew, as they ventured off onto their own spin-off series of telemovies?

That also would have worked so much better with "These are the Voyages...", the finale of "Enterprise". How much more believable to see now-Captain Riker filled with self-doubt about shipping off on the Titan, than seeing poor ol' Frakes and Sirtis pretending to be thinner and younger in scenes from "The Pegasus"?

Agreed on both counts.. to me Nemesis's end scene was a crappy end to a crappy movie...

The entire TATV script showed just how creatively bankrupt the long time producers and writers had become..

 

[inflatabledalek]

I can't see it working as the end of the film. In TMP the sequence just about works (even if it is about twice as long as it needs to be) because it's introducing the ship for the first time and establishing Kirk's love for her. In Nemesis we'd have had a good two hours to get a decent look at the ship, and having Picard stare longingly at her would seem very at odds with him seeming to do him hardest to blow her up a few scenes earlier.

 

[JarodRussell]

I always thought the movie should have been reversed. It starts with Picard on Earth getting orders to go to Romulus, then they get to the drydock. And the ending would have been the wedding. Riker and Picard part ways. And the Titan and Enterprise leave orbit in different directions.

 

[Danoz]

Any idea that isn't a complete scrap of Nemesis really doesn't work well for me. We don't need another Data clone. We don't need any more CLONES in general; we already have Lore and Thomas Riker as it is. We don't need complete rewrites of character personalities and scenes that don't many any sense. This was the worst abomination of film to happen in my lifetime, and the fact that it was the last showing for The Next Generation-- something I love, sickens me to no end. So sad people keeping bringing it up

 

[danellis]

You have to understand that at the time, the producers weren't thinking that Nemesis was going to be the last TNG movie. If they did, then Data dying would have been pointless because he only died because Spiner didn't want to play him anymore in future films. Hence, there was no need to have any "final" closing scene to conclude the movie series.

Really? I thought the movie had been advertised from conception as "the last voyage of a Generation" or somesuch?

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