Is there some law against black people travelling through time?

[Robert Maxwell]

Speaking of Sisko and to, perhaps, prove Robert Maxwell correct, there was another time Sisko travelled through time...and screwed up things for the establishment.

Janeway fucks up that theory. Janeway who's a very white woman has zero regard for the continuity of the time line. Multiple times she's seen onscreen blatantly violating the 'temporal prime directive.'

But she's a white woman. I was talking about white men. Big difference.

 

[Christopher]

Sisko is all the proof you need of why the black man can't be allowed to travel through time.

But, to be fair, he was only half black man. The other half was nonlinear space ghost (but not Space Ghost.)

No, both his parents were fully human. It's just that one of them had been temporarily possessed by a Prophet in order to ensure she married his father and conceived him. So the Prophet wasn't one of Sisko's biological parents, more just his parents' matchmaker. (Or the being that enslaved his biological mother's will and forced her to mate with his father, which is actually rather disturbing.)

Well, what if the black guy (or a white guy, or a black woman etc.) went further back - say to Ancient Rome or Ancient Egypt? He could set himself up as a god, ban slavery and maybe prolong the hegemony of Rome or Egypt, changing the political map profoundly and creating a slaveless social paradigm for the developed world millennia ahead of schedule.

There goes the Western history education again, equating the West with the world. Historically, the most globally powerful and expansive civilizations on Earth have usually been in Asia. And while they had some commerce with Rome, their history certainly wouldn't have been materially affected by its policies. No empire could have really global influence until the Industrial Age.

And there's no way you could preserve civilizations for that long a time, due to all the other historical factors in play. The only reason Egypt lasted so long is because it was isolated, and even so, it got conquered repeatedly. And Rome became a victim of its own expansiveness, growing too big to govern and thus fragmenting (though its Eastern half, aka the Byzantine Empire, endured a thousand years longer than its Western half, another thing that Western-biased history educations tend to gloss over). Anyway, civilizations always rise and fall and change over time. Try instituting a change thousands of years back and you just guarantee that it'll get swallowed up by the fluctuations of history.

Not to mention that, until industrialization, it was quite difficult to manage an agrarian economy without slavery. You can't expect morality alone to govern such decisions. Slavery was prominent where there was an economic need for it. The American South didn't cling to slavery because they were more evil than the North, but because their plantation economy was dependent on slavery whereas the North's industrial economy wasn't.

And bringing about the Industrial Revolution early wouldn't work, for a variety of reasons. For one thing, it would only have happened when the right combination of need, opportunity, and social dynamics came together; otherwise any attempt to trigger it artificially would've fizzled out. (China was advanced enough to industrialize 700 years before Europe did, but they were comfortable enough that they had no need to do so. Europe's industrialization was driven by their relative lack of resources and their need to acquire and compete with the wealth of China.) For another thing, industrialization actually made slavery worse; it was the heavy demand for cotton in the textile factories of the industrialized world that increased plantations' need for slaves and drove them to work their slaves harder and more cruelly. Although in the long run, it was probably that cruelty that turned the world off of slavery and led to it being outlawed after thousands of years as a social norm. So the question is whether one would be willing to encourage a century or two of atrocity and horror in order to shock the world into banning the practice.

 

[G2309]

Doctor Who's Martha Jones as well! Not brotha, but sista! I guess Mickey had done it before her though.

I like how Dr Who handled Marthas time travel in the Family of blood 2 parter. But it's difficult for shows that mainly travel to Britains or Americas past to include black people because of discrimination and segregation. Which is hard to adress properly in every episode. It also restrics the movements of characters.

 

[HaventGotALife]

I'm half way through the first season of Seven Days.

Should be finished in a couple days if I wimp out and sleep.

Don Franklin.

I like him.

Appreciated the lad on Seaquest DSV as Riker-PLUS.

But he's forever twiddling his thumbs waiting for this good ol'boy to hop into the sphere and backstep because "Parker" is never drunk, hungover, down with the flu, broken his leg or recovering from a gunshot when he's ever really very very needed.

Can't a brother ever time travel?

Benjamin Sisko time-traveled (and saved the Federation becoming Gabriel Bell).

 

[Guy Gardener]

Ghost is a racist term that hasn't been used in a while. Spook also. I was talking about spies and some one told me not to use that word. Calling Ben Sisko a Spaceghost Robert because his mother was a prophet is good because it seems all but forgotten what that word also used to mean.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Don Franklin was in the Christopher Reeves movie "Somewhere in Time" or Journeyman or numerous episodes of Daybreak... Although, logically... Those are also movies/TV shows about Time travel in Which Don Franklin didn't travel through time.

I also wondered if Comission Gordon and Chief O'Hara from the Adam West TV series could ever save the day by themselves? I remember the Cop friend of Monks complaining :"I used to be some one, I was going some where, I used to solve crimes I was respected, I was a cop and I was going to be Police Comissioner before I was 40! But now? I'm just the dumb bastard who knows your phone number."

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Maybe your thread should be retitled: "Is there some law against Don Franklin traveling through time unless it's with a bunch of other white guys?"

 

[Guy Gardener]

The ghost of Dave Chappelle's Time haters sketch must have been rattling some chains in my brain, because I seriously considered using that N world in the title... Watching a couple seasons of the Boondocks last week didn't help either.

Though imagine it!

You travel back in time to the Cuban Missile Crisis in an atomic Submarine and you DON'T take time out to meet the X-Men!?

Priorities!

(You haven't seen X-Men First Class?)

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well I go to the end 66ish episodes.

Donovan didn't... Well, The North Korean's nuked America and their Sphere was damaged by the EMP so they plunk Craig into the pilots seat to go do the back step... But the Sphere was too damaged and he just got fried.

Pain with out the timetravel.

Sounds like marriage.

He suits up the time though.

Once the conversation post-sphere went like this...

Donavan "if you ask me i just look better in the chononaut suit."

Parker "Yeah, but how do you handle all that extra room around the chest?"

Donavan "Not half as well as how tight it is around the crotch."

 

[Crewman47]

I'm half way through the first season of Seven Days.

Should be finished in a couple days if I wimp out and sleep.

Don Franklin.

I like him.

Appreciated the lad on Seaquest DSV as Riker-PLUS.

But he's forever twiddling his thumbs waiting for this good ol'boy to hop into the sphere and backstep because "Parker" is never drunk, hungover, down with the flu, broken his leg or recovering from a gunshot when he's ever really very very needed.

Can't a brother ever time travel?

Sorry to go slightly off main topic but I just found this thread and I just wanted to ask where it is you're watching Seven Days and if it's on DVD yet?