Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitution?

[apenpaap]

If you make a list of starfleets capital ship classes, you'll notice an odd gap:
NX: 2151-2161
Daedalus: 2161-?
Constitution: 2245-2285
Excelsior: 2285-?
Ambassador: ?-2364
Galaxy: 2364-2370
Sovereign: 2370-2374
Prometheus: 2374-

As you can see, the Daedalus-class would be in use for 84 years, much longer then the usual ~40 years (Between the launch of the USS Excelsior and the Ambassador class being replaced by the Galaxy class is aproximatly 80 years, which boils down to 40 years for both of them). So the question I wanted to ask you is: do you know of any ships (canon or non-canon) from the early 23rd century that could've served as this role? (The only one I can think of is the Kelvin, but it was established that that was just a scout ship (Then again, with captain Robau commanding, even that could be lethal))

 

[Shawnster]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

Nothing from canon.

Non-canon you might be interested in seeing: http://www.starfleet-museum.org/index.htm

 

[Praetor]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

apenpaap, I don't agree with the Ambassador replacing the Excelsior or the Prometheus replacing the Sovereign. For my money, the latter classes were designed for different purposes, even if those purposes might overlap.

 

[miraclefan]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

apenpaap, I don't agree with the Ambassador replacing the Excelsior or the Prometheus replacing the Sovereign. For my money, the latter classes were designed for different purposes, even if those purposes might overlap.

apenpaap, I don't agree with the Ambassador replacing the Excelsior or the Prometheus replacing the Sovereign. For my money, the latter classes were designed for different purposes, even if those purposes might overlap.

*Hiccup*

 

[Michael]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

apenpaap, I don't agree with the Ambassador replacing the Excelsior or the Prometheus replacing the Sovereign. For my money, the latter classes were designed for different purposes, even if those purposes might overlap.

apenpaap, I don't agree with the Ambassador replacing the Excelsior or the Prometheus replacing the Sovereign. For my money, the latter classes were designed for different purposes, even if those purposes might overlap.

*Hiccup*

Nope, just a post in stereo.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

I do think it's probably safe to say that there was a class of ship that produced the Kelvin, but I would argue that it probably looked a bit more like a TOS-style ship originally as far as its hull markings and insignia were concerned (and the crew may have worn "The Cage"/"Where No Man Has Gone Before" uniforms), IMO.

There probably was also a design that was a direct predecessor to the Constitution-class that may even have produced ships that were later upgraded to Constitution-class like the USS Constellation.

 

[Timo]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

Considering how many classes of ships we see in TNG and DS9 eventually, when the VFX people get over the budgetary problems, I'd think it safe to say that there were hundreds of starship classes between Daedalus and Constitution. Some were prominent but short-lived, some served in background roles, some were subtle variants of each other, some diverged radically from the norm of the day. Just like in the TNG era.

Now, was there a "capital ship" that preceded the Constitution? Almost certainly - and there might well have been a dozen generations of those before TOS but after the forming of the Federation. However, I don't believe the Daedalus was ever one of those. What little we hear of it in canon (in TNG "Power Play") might allow for it, but everything else (from novels, tabletop models and backstage talk) suggests a humble support vessel that was old news in Archer's days already.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

I do think it's probably safe to say that there was a class of ship that produced the Kelvin, but I would argue that it probably looked a bit more like a TOS-style ship originally as far as its hull markings and insignia were concerned (and the crew may have worn "The Cage"/"Where No Man Has Gone Before" uniforms), IMO.

Or rather the TOS-style hull features and Cage uniforms/equipment would have come later. What we saw is applicable to the Prime Universe, with the exception of events seen at the start of ST: XI.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

I do think it's probably safe to say that there was a class of ship that produced the Kelvin, but I would argue that it probably looked a bit more like a TOS-style ship originally as far as its hull markings and insignia were concerned (and the crew may have worn "The Cage"/"Where No Man Has Gone Before" uniforms), IMO.

Or rather the TOS-style hull features and Cage uniforms/equipment would have come later. What we saw is applicable to the Prime Universe, with the exception of events seen at the start of ST: XI.

I disagree. The differences in this alternate universe began before the destruction of the Kelvin (the Enterprise arrowhead insignia being the symbol of Starfleet before the Enterprise was built, the TMP-style hull font forty or so years earlier than originally).

It's a similar enough universe that Spock Prime can easily recognize younger versions of people from his own universe, but I think Spock Prime was aware that he wasn't just thrown back in time but into another universe as well...

 

[Timo]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

And I disagree with that.

The arrowhead never was limited to the Enterprise only: it appeared on personnel from different ships or starbases in TOS already. At most, we could say that the arrowhead was facing some competition from other symbols, perhaps so that each different symbol was used by a different fleet, and the arrowhead was for the most important fleet (and, some time after TMP, did indeed become the universal Starfleet symbol).

And the TMP style saucer only appears on a starship launched in 2258 (and possibly on another being built in Iowa in 2255, unless that was the Enterprise, too), so there's no need for it to predate the Kelvin. The saucer on the Kelvin herself, and on the number of kitbashes based on her, is probably best described as Baton Rouge'ish, for those familiar with that old fanship.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

And I disagree with that as well.

 

[Herkimer Jitty]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

the TMP-style hull font forty or so years earlier than originally).

O RLY?

Looks like the TOS-style block lettering with TMP-style white and red outlining.

Starfleet goes through interior signage styles, uniform styles, and equipment styles as much as the average Vulcan mates (Every 7 years or so, it would seem). I wouldn't put it past them to be constantly changing the hull style

 

[TIN_MAN]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

Well, whether we think it fits in or not, it was the writers intent that the Kelvin be from the original time line, and it's destruction resulting in the altered time line, even going so far as to write dialogue for spock and Uhura to that effect, just so it would be "official". So the Kelvin belongs on the list between the Daedalus and the Constitution.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

the TMP-style hull font forty or so years earlier than originally).

O RLY?

Y, RLY.

 

[Kross]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

apenpaap, I don't agree with the Ambassador replacing the Excelsior or the Prometheus replacing the Sovereign. For my money, the latter classes were designed for different purposes, even if those purposes might overlap.

I've never understood that. Why would Starfleet replace the Sovereign so soon? I can see that conversation now.

Admiral: "Well, we've just finished building the Voltron...I mean Prometheus class, the most advanced ship in the fleet."

Admiral #2: "Yeah, she's a thing of beauty and she'll fit right in with the Sovereign and the other ships."

Admiral: "Sovereign? Not likely, we're trashing those ships."

Admiral #2: "Wait, what? But its practically brand new!"

Admiral: "Emphasis on 'practically'. Don't worry, we'll relegate the ones currently in service to courier and transport duty, maybe even use them as garbage scowls."

Admiral #2: "But...but..."

Admiral: "Quit stuttering and send someone out to spray paint "Enterprise-F" on the that ship."

 

[Praetor]

Re: Is there any starship class known between Daedalus and Constitutio

apenpaap, I don't agree with the Ambassador replacing the Excelsior or the Prometheus replacing the Sovereign. For my money, the latter classes were designed for different purposes, even if those purposes might overlap.

I've never understood that. Why would Starfleet replace the Sovereign so soon? I can see that conversation now.

Admiral: "Well, we've just finished building the Voltron...I mean Prometheus class, the most advanced ship in the fleet."

Admiral #2: "Yeah, she's a thing of beauty and she'll fit right in with the Sovereign and the other ships."

Admiral: "Sovereign? Not likely, we're trashing those ships."

Admiral #2: "Wait, what? But its practically brand new!"

Admiral: "Emphasis on 'practically'. Don't worry, we'll relegate the ones currently in service to courier and transport duty, maybe even use them as garbage scowls."

Admiral #2: "But...but..."

Admiral: "Quit stuttering and send someone out to spray paint "Enterprise-F" on the that ship."