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IS the TOS Constitution-class capable of landing?

It's generaly accepted that the Constitution Class starships were not capable of landing on a planetary surface. The saucer section, maybe, but the whole ship, definately not. Back when TOS was first being filmed, it was decided that landing the ship week after week would be too much for the budget, and this lead to the creation of the transporter sequence.
 
Short answer, no.

Longer, snarkier answer, yeah, but only once, and it's not gonna be in any condition to take off again.

As for that snippet from the UK comic that shows the Enterprise hovering just above the ground like a big warp driven zeppelin, I'd like to know just what the writer and artist were smoking and whether or not they brought enough for the entire class. The only thing that preserves any shred of credibility in that one is that the ship doesn't actually touch down.
 
I saw some old sketches showing the saucer section's landing capabilities. On the underside of the primary hull there are two tapered triangular doors; these supposedly were meant to be landing legs (the third one presumably being the "neck").

I cannot recall where I saw these sketches; maybe someone else has seen them and can help me out.

EDIT: It was in "The Art of Star Trek". We discussed it here.

http://trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=3147996
 
Does anyone know if their is anything in canon to support or disprove this?


Forgive the senior moment, but for the life of me, I can't remember the name of the episode right now. But it was the one where Scotty had to do a cold re-start of the engines(which had never been done) because their orbit was decaying. If the ship could land, why not just do so, make the repair, and leave again? Not a definitive answer, but it seems to lean towards 'not'.
 
That's "The Naked Time" and the planet they were orbiting was about to break-up. Landing, even if they could do it, wasn't an option.
 
Does anyone know if their is anything in canon to support or disprove this?

In canon, there's no comment. By design, the saucer can be jettisoned to act as its own lifeboat and operate under impulse power, or emergency land on a planet. While there are 'canon' examples of this happening, several of the novels and comics do depict saucers that have done this.
 
In the episode where Kirk's brother and sister-in-law are killed by the pancake monsters, Spock, with one of the creatures trying to control him, storms onto the bridge insisting "Got to take her down".

He was trying to land the ship.

Now, you'd think that if the creature was in control enough to make him do this, there'd also be the knowledge that IT CAN'T HAPPEN....

Unless it actually COULD have.

Spock may have been trying to detach the saucer, but considering the creatures' goals, he'd not be trying to just land it on Deneva.

He'd also be intending to lift off again AND redock with the warp drive section so's to move on to another world so the creatures could spread further.

Supposedly the "re-docking" isn't possible without the help of a Starbase and its equipment and people.

Does this suggest that Spock was actually tryinig to land the ENTIRE ship, with lifting off again being possible?

I wonder.
 
Basically, any ship capable of withstanding the stresses of Trek-style starflight should be able to land and take off; to fly under water; and to fly through solid rock.

It's a bit of a mystery why some of them are hesistant to do so. But the existence of inertia dampers, impulse engines, navigational deflectors and artificial gravity should guarantee all starships effortless operations within an atmosphere, or within bedrock for that matter.

However, perhaps there's something about this mighty gadgetry that we don't know yet. The Voyager was able to land easily enough, while not differing in any known manner from Kirk's ship. However, she was still subject to side winds and the like, even though a 700,000 ton lump of streamlined metal should have been pretty stable... So perhaps the same mass manipulation technologies that allow her to land make her vulnerable to atmospheric conditions?

Also, while Kirk's ship should have the ability to land on the tip of her nacelle and balance there for the next century or two, perhaps Starfleet doesn't want to do such things because they would lead to disaster if power were cut for some reason? Kirk's vessel wasn't built to be stable on ground, unless parked upside down. So clearly the designers didn't assume she would frequently land and depower (since depowering upside down would at the very least cause the people to fall down from the floors, and at worst might collapse the spindly engine pylons that may be holding up mainly on the strength of structural integrity forcefields).

Canonically, we know that Kirk's ship, Archer's earlier but identically sized starship, and Picard's much larger cityship were all perfectly capable of maneuvering in the lower atmosphere, even when damaged or with the crew incapacitated. It took special audacity to drive Picard's ship to the edge of her flight envelope in "Arsenal of Freedom", and still she outflew a much smaller and presumably more aerodynamic killer drone. The smaller starships have never been at significant risk even when deep down in the atmosphere of a gas giant, either.

Yet a landing and depowering would call for a certain shape of ship, preferably with landing pads, and most ships don't have that shape. That IMHO is sufficient proof that landing a starship, while an obvious theoretical possibility, is not a good idea in practice. Whether the reasons for that are technological or tactical is another question...

Timo Saloniemi
 
In the episode where Kirk's brother and sister-in-law are killed by the pancake monsters, Spock, with one of the creatures trying to control him, storms onto the bridge insisting "Got to take her down".

He was trying to land the ship...

Remember the guy in the beginning who burned his ship up in the sun? I thought Spock was also just trying to destroy himself to rid himself of the alien, and not to land the ship for the aliens' ulterior purpose.

Doug
 
Timo, as usual we have another thoughtful and interesting response from you.

During the 1960s, real spacecraft were unable to "land," per se. They could crash back into the sea or (as w/ the cosmonauts) crash on land. So, I'm thinking the implicit Trek stance on not landing a starship was not a well-reasoned one, but rather just going along with the current real-world design limitations.

Subsequently, nu-Trek just continued the same stance without thinking about it any further, until we got to that Voyager episode, where a writer finally realized: "Hey! Why not?"

Doug
 
I think that all starships are capable of landing but that its inconvenient to do so especially when its as large as a Galaxy, where would you park the damn thing? I always thought the Sydney class was one of the ship classes that could land without much problems, it has a gigantic impulse engine and a flat bottom which makes her perfect for colony building and so. :cool:
 
That's "The Naked Time" and the planet they were orbiting was about to break-up. Landing, even if they could do it, wasn't an option.

Thanks. I had forgotten about that part. I think its only been 10 or 15 years since I've seen 'The Naked Time'. I'm thinking it might be time to go by the TOS DVDs.
 
I think that all starships are capable of landing but that its inconvenient to do so especially when its as large as a Galaxy, where would you park the damn thing? I always thought the Sydney class was one of the ship classes that could land without much problems, it has a gigantic impulse engine and a flat bottom which makes her perfect for colony building and so. :cool:

Hey Santa, long time, no see. :techman: After thinking about it for a while, I would have to agree. If these ships are capable of doing all the things we've seen them do throughout the years, I'm sure they are capable of landing and taking off, but due to transporters and shutle bays, the need to do so just wouldn't present itself that often.
 
By the same token, you could put caterpillar tracks on a aircraft carrier and make it amphibious. The question is why the hell would you?

There comes a point where you have enough bells and whistles to do what you need to do and you put down the Sears Christmas catalog.
 
Amen. Doesn't mean that each of the Trek hero or villain navies wouldn't have had at least some landing-designed classes in their arsenals at any given time, though. No doubt there's some advantage to landing a reasonably large starship when one's founding a colony or deploying an expeditionary army. Whether we've seen such special ships so far is debatable - but all the winged Klingon ships would be fairly good candidates for such, at least.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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