Is the LHC being sabotaged by its own future?
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So, if the LHC blows up last week, I guess we'll know what happened!
That is on par with the one people tell about it making a black hole that could consume the earth.
What I think really happened is that it did make a black hole which consumed the earth and the only thing to escape was a deranged Higgs boson particle which transported itself to Vulcan and caused the planet to implode. After these two planets turn up missing Daniels noticed the time line was jacked and came back in time to sabotage the LHC.
What he didn't know, because he sucks ass at doing research, is that Silik had come back in time and sabotaged the LHC first. The black hole and Higgs boson were an unintended side effect of Silik's sabotage to make the machine fail, but Silik had no complaints. Silik was motivated by the fact that the LHC led to the break through that one day made warp drive possible for the people of earth.
When Daniels returns to the future he see that the Federation does not exist. He eventually figures out that while he might have saved earth from Silik, he also stopped them from developing warp drive in time to have meaningful first contact with Vulcan. He tries many things to fix it, but they just make things even worse. Eventually he figures out the true cause of everything being fucked up on the time line, and goes back in time to kill himself when he is a child.
What I think really happened is that it did make a black hole which consumed the earth and the only thing to escape was a deranged Higgs boson particle which transported itself to Vulcan and caused the planet to implode. After these two planets turn up missing Daniels noticed the time line was jacked and came back in time to sabotage the LHC.
What he didn't know, because he sucks ass at doing research, is that Silik had come back in time and sabotaged the LHC first. The black hole and Higgs boson were an unintended side effect of Silik's sabotage to make the machine fail, but Silik had no complaints. Silik was motivated by the fact that the LHC led to the break through that one day made warp drive possible for the people of earth.
When Daniels returns to the future he see that the Federation does not exist. He eventually figures out that while he might have saved earth from Silik, he also stopped them from developing warp drive in time to have meaningful first contact with Vulcan. He tries many things to fix it, but they just make things even worse. Eventually he figures out the true cause of everything being fucked up on the time line, and goes back in time to kill himself when he is a child.
How does a Higgs Boson's creation cause a ripple backwards through time? I don't get it.
I'm looking at this page, I think they're ridiculous about using some kind of random number generator to predict if the future will be good for the LHC. This is absolute lunacy! If they're worried, don't run the fucking test. If not, run the fucking test. Simple
CuttingEdge100
BTW: On that website it mentions something about "Anti-gravity" puffing out the universe. I don't understand, do they mean something like the absolute energy in a closed system must be zero or soemething?
I'm looking at this page, I think they're ridiculous about using some kind of random number generator to predict if the future will be good for the LHC. This is absolute lunacy! If they're worried, don't run the fucking test. If not, run the fucking test. Simple
CuttingEdge100
BTW: On that website it mentions something about "Anti-gravity" puffing out the universe. I don't understand, do they mean something like the absolute energy in a closed system must be zero or soemething?
This is not like the black hole thing. It's wild, but as one physicist remarked, the question is whether it's just crazy enough to be true.
I think a more sensible (relatively!) way of putting the idea is this:
The Higgs Boson is like some hypothetical exotic particles that existed shorty after the big bang but then faded as the solidifying laws of physics ruled out their continued existence. Being intelligent and self-motivated, we're capable of trying to create these "illegal" particles. Nature is holding up a stop sign and stopping us by shoving us onto a worldline where the particle continues to not exist, which from our limited perspective involves "improbable" coincidences such as the device that makes the particle breaking every damn time it is turned on.
While it is wild, the fascinating idea is that we would have stumbled across a new way of testing, sort of, such ideas about quantum mechanic related worldlines and branching gates.
Not saying that is what is happening but it's not the same kind of misunderstanding as the black hole scare, etc etc.
I think a more sensible (relatively!) way of putting the idea is this:
The Higgs Boson is like some hypothetical exotic particles that existed shorty after the big bang but then faded as the solidifying laws of physics ruled out their continued existence. Being intelligent and self-motivated, we're capable of trying to create these "illegal" particles. Nature is holding up a stop sign and stopping us by shoving us onto a worldline where the particle continues to not exist, which from our limited perspective involves "improbable" coincidences such as the device that makes the particle breaking every damn time it is turned on.
While it is wild, the fascinating idea is that we would have stumbled across a new way of testing, sort of, such ideas about quantum mechanic related worldlines and branching gates.
Not saying that is what is happening but it's not the same kind of misunderstanding as the black hole scare, etc etc.
What does quantum mechanic related worldlines mean?
Is this why they want that random-number generator thing? I think this is absolutely absurd. If they don't think they can generate a Higgs Boson, or are really worried they're going to destroy themselves, don't run the test, either use the LHC for other reasonable scientific pursuits, or dismantle it.
I personally think that this worry that the LHC's creation of a Higgs Boson will send a ripple back through time is absolutely absurd. Running this huge random-number generator is just a complete waste of time that could be spent running the test.
Is this why they want that random-number generator thing? I think this is absolutely absurd. If they don't think they can generate a Higgs Boson, or are really worried they're going to destroy themselves, don't run the test, either use the LHC for other reasonable scientific pursuits, or dismantle it.
I personally think that this worry that the LHC's creation of a Higgs Boson will send a ripple back through time is absolutely absurd. Running this huge random-number generator is just a complete waste of time that could be spent running the test.
Don't knock absurdity. When you're dealing with the sort of physics these people are, you have to think a bit outside the box. What's obvious on a macroscopic scale may not even apply on the quantum level.
Besides, there's always the old joke----that most important scientific advances begin with the phrase, "That's strange..."
And it's not like this little experiment is eating up massive amounts of dollars or time.
Besides, there's always the old joke----that most important scientific advances begin with the phrase, "That's strange..."
And it's not like this little experiment is eating up massive amounts of dollars or time.
Lindley,
It would eat up more dollars and time if they developed a huge random number machine to compute out every possibility, then ran the test, versus just running the test. I don't really see any good reason for not just proceeding.
Regardless, what's a Quantum Mechanic Related Worldline?
It would eat up more dollars and time if they developed a huge random number machine to compute out every possibility, then ran the test, versus just running the test. I don't really see any good reason for not just proceeding.
Regardless, what's a Quantum Mechanic Related Worldline?
It would take about 3 minutes to write a random number program in C++. Of course, that's only pseudorandom, so I'm not sure it'd qualify for these purposes.
Incidentally, the above is not a new idea.
Incidentally, the above is not a new idea.
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Lindley,
What kind of random number generator do they wish to make?
What kind of random number generator do they wish to make?
That, and if this wild theory is actually somehow true then we could view the it as a built in safety mechanism.
Doesn't matter too much. They're simply speculating on whether such an "effect preceding cause" could be detected on a macroscopic level via supposedly random processes exhibiting biased behavior. It could be a card game as easily as a random number generator.
Of course, for the experiment to be meaningful, they'd need to be willing to abide by the results. And since I doubt the scientists have authorization to do that, it's mostly just a thought experiment.
One they could do would be to allow a random process to pick one of several possible experiment schedules. If there's any validity to their idea, it should pick one where the high-power tests come as late as possible.
Lindley,
I think this random number generator thing is a complete waste of time. If the scientists wouldn't even abide by the results, there is no point in carrying out the random number generator and simply run the test as I understand it
I think this random number generator thing is a complete waste of time. If the scientists wouldn't even abide by the results, there is no point in carrying out the random number generator and simply run the test as I understand it
If that is true, then every action you take, you create a whole crapload of new realities.
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