So the ovals with three inner open shapes are where the struts would connect? It seems like conduits could run through the ribs through the open holes you show, just above the galleries.A long time ago I played around with that space. You can see where the pylons connect. There are some ribbed frames between the first third of the pylon space that I put in as an experiment but could also be just flat since it was never seen (behind the camera).
Is the bridge at a funny angle?
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Yes, for the pylon location that is scaled to a 1080' ship. A 947' ship would move the pylon further aft but the then again the observation galleries would stick out of the hull.
Yep - there would be space there to run piping through there as well as allow access, IMHO
I've got several of your pictures saved from that project but I don't remember seeing this one before. Nice!A long time ago I played around with that space. You can see where the pylons connect. There are some ribbed frames between the first third of the pylon space that I put in as an experiment but could also be just flat since it was never seen (behind the camera).
It's snug but everything does fit
@blssdwlf That is similar to the solution that Franz Joseph used. Only his reinforced bulkheads only go to the hangar deck below the flight deck. And he only used two.
And FWIW, aircraft wing spars often attach to similar reinforced bulkheads in planes (the PBY Catalina is a good example of this.)
And FWIW, aircraft wing spars often attach to similar reinforced bulkheads in planes (the PBY Catalina is a good example of this.)
Working on anything else?A long time ago I played around with that space. You can see where the pylons connect. There are some ribbed frames between the first third of the pylon space that I put in as an experiment but could also be just flat since it was never seen (behind the camera).
Thanks for the info @BK613 - I'll take a look at that.
I've been re-learning modeling and rendering after being away from it for a while and am part way with animating the Enterprise. But have been busy at work and had a temporary technical problem with my computer prior to the Texas Snowpacalypse. Things are working again so I'll eventually post some new things up.
Just noticed on the Star Trek Blueprint Database, that Jim Botaitis revised his Enterprise deck plans to include a bridge concept that pulls the bridge forward from the centerline under the dome about 6 feet. This change puts the bridge in the "facing forward" orientation and leaves room for the turbolift to slide to the rear and enter the nub/turbolift feature (almost).
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/tos-enterprise-deckplans/1.jpg
JB sketched this for the Deck 1: "Original" Bridge, but I can see that it could apply for the Regular Series bridge (in the 947 ft. hull to boot) by sinking the bridge down about 4 feet. Getting the turbolift car into the nub tube is still a problem, but if the car drops down a little first, then slides into the tube, it might work. I even included a second vertical turbolift shaft to help with congestion.
My conceptional adaption to JB's plan:
The nub extension of the tube above the turbolift car could be for emergency ejection of the cars as lifeboats, or just a work space.
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/tos-enterprise-deckplans/1.jpg
JB sketched this for the Deck 1: "Original" Bridge, but I can see that it could apply for the Regular Series bridge (in the 947 ft. hull to boot) by sinking the bridge down about 4 feet. Getting the turbolift car into the nub tube is still a problem, but if the car drops down a little first, then slides into the tube, it might work. I even included a second vertical turbolift shaft to help with congestion.
My conceptional adaption to JB's plan:
The nub extension of the tube above the turbolift car could be for emergency ejection of the cars as lifeboats, or just a work space.
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I'm a little confused as to what you mean. Its ceiling may have some sort of domed center (we have never seen the full ceiling on screen mind you) simply because the room is roundish and domes make sense for good structural support. Additionally, the bridge ceiling is not a smooth dome, rather from what we saw glimpses on screen, it is multi-leveled and facetted as I have in my sketch. I put a ball-like center feature as artistic license and to pay homage to the bridge security zapper from TAS.
As for the external smooth dome, it is smooth for space-dynamics.
The two images don't line up.Just noticed on the Star Trek Blueprint Database, that Jim Botaitis revised his Enterprise deck plans to include a bridge concept that pulls the bridge forward from the centerline under the dome about 6 feet. This change puts the bridge in the "facing forward" orientation and leaves room for the turbolift to slide to the rear and enter the nub/turbolift feature (almost).
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/tos-enterprise-deckplans/1.jpg
JB sketched this for the Deck 1: "Original" Bridge, but I can see that it could apply for the Regular Series bridge (in the 947 ft. hull to boot) by sinking the bridge down about 4 feet. Getting the turbolift car into the nub tube is still a problem, but if the car drops down a little first, then slides into the tube, it might work. I even included a second vertical turbolift shaft to help with congestion.
My conceptional adaption to JB's plan:
The nub extension of the tube above the turbolift car could be for emergency ejection of the cars as lifeboats, or just a work space.
I'm confused on what two images you are pointing out? Maybe it is because the side view cross-section incorporates some off-centerline features like the turbolift car and that I'm using a bridge cross-section that is not rotated to the view screen forward orientation (I couldn't find one in that orientation so I nabbed one at the ~36 degrees.) Mind you, this is a concept sketch, so, do you think it has merit? You get a view screen forward bridge and room for the off-centerline turbolift car under the bridge dome.
Actually, looking again, the problem is that the top image shows a centerline cutaway except for the bridge turbolift, which made it appear the side and top views were misaligned.
Just noticed on the Star Trek Blueprint Database, that Jim Botaitis revised his Enterprise deck plans to include a bridge concept that pulls the bridge forward from the centerline under the dome about 6 feet. This change puts the bridge in the "facing forward" orientation and leaves room for the turbolift to slide to the rear and enter the nub/turbolift feature (almost).
https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/tos-enterprise-deckplans/1.jpg
JB sketched this for the Deck 1: "Original" Bridge, but I can see that it could apply for the Regular Series bridge (in the 947 ft. hull to boot) by sinking the bridge down about 4 feet. Getting the turbolift car into the nub tube is still a problem, but if the car drops down a little first, then slides into the tube, it might work. I even included a second vertical turbolift shaft to help with congestion.
My conceptional adaption to JB's plan:
The nub extension of the tube above the turbolift car could be for emergency ejection of the cars as lifeboats, or just a work space.
Yeah, this doesn't work. You swapped a position which is at an angle but completely consistent with the outer contour of the model for one that is inconsistent in every way with the model, now being off center, but "corrects" a rotation that was never a real design issue.
What did you gain, design-wise? Why would you do that?
"But the rotated bridge makes no sense!" Guess what - this makes less.
It's a round room with a vaulted circular ceiling (I'm a little confused as to what you mean. Its ceiling may have some sort of domed center (we have never seen the full ceiling on screen mind you) simply because the room is roundish and domes make sense for good structural support. Additionally, the bridge ceiling is not a smooth dome, rather from what we saw glimpses on screen, it is multi-leveled and facetted as I have in my sketch. I put a ball-like center feature as artistic license and to pay homage to the bridge security zapper from TAS.
As for the external smooth dome, it is smooth for space-dynamics.
) and that ceiling goes up pretty far. Why it is designed to be a round room with a vaulted circular ceiling is because it is located in the bridge dome. We know it is located there because The Cage showed us and because MJ told us. It doesn't make sense for it to have that shape if it is not located in the bridge dome.IMO, no one would design a bridge that wastes all that space that Jim Botaitis creates by his pushed-forward solution just so the bridge can scratch the must-face-forward itch.
I'm quite happy for the nub to be anything but the top of the turboshaft, because the ceiling height would be way too low for a non-sunken Bridge (a solution which adds new problems). There used to be a poster on this board who proposed it as a "subspace radio antenna" and that works for me too.My conceptional adaption to JB's plan:
The nub extension of the tube above the turbolift car could be for emergency ejection of the cars as lifeboats, or just a work space.
As for sliding the Bridge forward in the dome - it's a system that certainly solves the engineering issues, but a circular room sitting off-centre in a circular dome looks odd to my eyes as the external shape seems to demand an oval shape at that point.
In practical terms of what the "real" ship might have, @Jim Botaitis best solution was this one IMO:
Bridge is centred and faces foward, nub can be used as a turboshaft, symmetrical structure behind the dome.
You've just got to ignore a minor detail of the model (which is way too small anyway, as mentioned upthread)
However, if you're willing to dismiss onscreen elements which are clearly just Hollywood film making techniques (like making the framing of shots easier), then the best solution is to simply put the turbolift back behind the captain where it was supposed to go in the first place!!!
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Does the bridge onscreen fit into the dome on the model?
Yes, very well, thank you!
That's a joke. A very small joke.
Yes, very well, thank you!
That's a joke. A very small joke.
It's a round room with a vaulted circular ceiling (
IMO, no one would design a bridge that wastes all that space that Jim Botaitis creates by his pushed-forward solution just so the bridge can scratch the must-face-forward itch.
You are forgetting that there are scenes when the Enterprise decelerates and the characters lurch forward toward the viewscreen. That makes it hard to believe that the veiwscreen can be offset from the forward direction much.
You are forgetting that there are scenes when the Enterprise decelerates and the characters lurch forward toward the viewscreen. That makes it hard to believe that the veiwscreen can befacing the rear of the starshp.
It is easy to design a layout where the "turbolift" nub is at the rear, the viewscreen is at the front, and the turbolift door is off centered. I pointed that out much earlier in this thread.
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I am not. But I know that the underlying motivation for such scenes isn't the orientation of the bridge but what is best dramatically for the shot. And there are scenes where they fall contrary to that orientation. In universe one can hand-wave those inconsistencies away by evoking the same magic tech that keeps the crew from going splat against the front of the bridge (wherever that may be) whenever the ship goes from superluminal velocities to full stop in no time at all.
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