We know the DSC Enterprise is intended to be both Pike’s and Kirk’s physical hull in Star Trek story continuity (the latter before some refits), and also that it was designed with a non-offset bridge in mind. Are we saying the fix doesn’t actually work there either, or that this discussion is purely about Matt Jefferies’ evolving intent, as close to production side as we can make it? I’m basically looking for ways to introduce constraints that will help resolve the issue once and for all in-universe, rather than focus on what may have been intended for the original show in the franchise.
Is the bridge at a funny angle?
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That there's still a thread after a diagram depicting the offset bridge is shown in canon is probably Star Trek fandom in a nutshell.At least twice we're given onscreen evidence it's not forward facing.
Monitors in Star Trek: The Motion picture show the off set bridge schematic.
Modern Trek is a revised canon, where the Enterprise always looked as it does in those productions. To use a rather crude analogy, It's like using Robin Curtis' bra size to determine that of Kirsty Alley's Saavik.
Yes, let’s forget that Franz Joseph’s blueprints were used to (mis)represent the refit in Star Trek III, and almost certainly in TMP also. You want Star Trek fandom to accept everything at face value? It’s fiction with all kinds of production limitations we try to rationalize in a way that fits the wider story context.
There is no evidence DSC or Short Treks weren’t intended to have happened from the POV of Kirk and Spock in TOS, which includes the history of which way the viewscreen faced in 2257/8 and before “The Cage”.
Why?
The Enterprise was rushed through refit to intercept V'ger. It's not at all unbelievable that a display interface that would be activated only in circumstances that quite possibly never occurred in the interim* and that in any case did not itself require metrical fidelity might get "left behind." It was actually the class ship representation, as one can tell by the registry number, and not specifically a graphic of the Enterprise herself [https://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=401&page=2]. In universe, it's possible that during the refit a place-holder schematic was inserted into the security subsystem for certain types of alerts, and it was never looked at again, because an officer had marked the schematic as adequately set during the launch prep. Metrical fidelity would be more necessary in the quarters plan in the second graphic, so we can conclude that the follow-up graphic is more likely supposed to be accurate (whatever its source IRL, which could well be FJ, I've not checked, doesn't matter that much).
Admiral Morrow said that command felt the Enterprise had had her day, and perhaps there was good reason that he and they believed that the best course of action was simply to retire her. There being computer code and corresponding data in need of an overhaul believably could have been one of those reasons.
* - And, yes, in case you're wondering, perhaps to the subsystem, this type of breach was classified differently than when the Ilia probe came aboard.
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Thanks for the link @Boris Skrbic ! Cool article.
At least twice we're given onscreen evidence it's not forward facing.
"The Cage" opening scene.
Monitors in Star Trek: The Motion picture show the off set bridge schematic.
lPease show the image(s) that shows bridge schematics on screens in STTMP.
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Interesting.
It's right there, in the second image that you quoted.
I think the point was that it isn't specifically labelled as "bridge", at least in that screencap.
The bridge is only at a funny angle on Tuesday and Thursday.
Funny Angles was the best standup comedy lounge of the 1980s.
I always found the humor rather obtuse.
Sure. You could argue that it was just construction plans and not what was actually constructed. You could argue that the computer is just displaying some random crew member's personal files of their own fan-fiction even if it were labeled as the bridge. There's always a way to split the hair finer.
Those of us who've said, "We don't know," are (surprise!) pretty serious about it.
MARY, DON'T YOU KNOW MY TRANSPORTER CLONE?!??!?
Odd Angel on the bridge.
"Hail hail, fire and snow.
Call the angel we will go.
Far away, for to see.
Funny Angel, come to me."*
*Melvin Bell was off-set by 35 degrees when this scene was filmed.
On all other days it is at a very serious angle that is just strange.
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