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Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible Spoil

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Star Trek:Generations was widely heralded and hyped as the "passing of the torch" to a new generation of heros.

Yet at the end of Generations

Kirk was dead.
The Enterprise-D was destroyed.
Picards entire family was dead.
The Duras sisters were dead.

Yet Moore and Braga apparently hoped fans would leave the movie in a good mood.

They didn't.

Apparently some pretty bad and depressing things happen in the current movie.

Have the writer, producers, and director, in their zeal to do something "new" and to "reinvigorate" the franchise put stuff into the new movie that serves to depress and irritate the fan base?
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Star Trek:Generations was widely heralded and hyped as the "passing of the torch" to a new generation of heros.

Yet at the end of Generations

Kirk was dead.
The Enterprise-D was destroyed.
Picards entire family was dead.
The Duras sisters were dead.

Yet Moore and Braga apparently hoped fans would leave the movie in a good mood.

They didn't.

Apparently some pretty bad and depressing things happen in the current movie.

Have the writer, producers, and director, in their zeal to do something "new" and to "reinvigorate" the franchise put stuff into the new movie that serves to depress and irritate the fan base?


What bad and depressing things have happened in the movie? Seems like many in the fanbase is really liking the movie..?
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

No.
Everyone has been whining for the longest of times how Trek writers have no balls, take no chances and how the reset button has been used to death in Trek.

Well here you go. No reset buttons and consequences of the highest importance.

And the fan base in neither irritated nor depressed. Check the BBS polls and other reviews available in various sites.
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

...Yet Moore and Braga apparently hoped fans would leave the movie in a good mood.

They didn't.

Apparently some pretty bad and depressing things happen in the current movie.

Have the writer, producers, and director, in their zeal to do something "new" and to "reinvigorate" the franchise put stuff into the new movie that serves to depress and irritate the fan base?


Saw it for the second time earlier. Out of the 11 people I saw it with, 9 were non trekkies, and those 2 trekkies, one was a hardcore love it all fan like me and the other was a girl :p

First up, 9 non Trekkies loved it.

Girl Trekkie loved it.

Trekkie Trekkie liked it, hates some things about it and has to see it again to pass judgment.

So, i'd say 10/11 aient bad for audience satisfaction ;)
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

No.
Everyone has been whining for the longest of times how Trek writers have no balls, take no chances and how the reset button has been used to death in Trek.

Well here you go. No reset buttons and consequences of the highest importance.

And the fan base in neither irritated nor depressed. Check the BBS polls and other reviews available in various sites.

Taking chances with the characters is one thing. Having someone do something unexpected or what have you.

Pulling the franchise's history out at the roots is something entirely different.
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

...Yet Moore and Braga apparently hoped fans would leave the movie in a good mood.

They didn't.

Apparently some pretty bad and depressing things happen in the current movie.

Have the writer, producers, and director, in their zeal to do something "new" and to "reinvigorate" the franchise put stuff into the new movie that serves to depress and irritate the fan base?


Saw it for the second time earlier. Out of the 11 people I saw it with, 9 were non trekkies, and those 2 trekkies, one was a hardcore love it all fan like me and the other was a girl :p

First up, 9 non Trekkies loved it.

Girl Trekkie loved it.

Trekkie Trekkie liked it, hates some things about it and has to see it again to pass judgment.

So, i'd say 10/11 aient bad for audience satisfaction ;)

Probably simply a case of likeminded people.
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Dayton, will you please stop all these threads that say the same thing, but phrased differently?

Either see the fucking movie and give an informed opinion on it, or stop posting the same crap over and over!
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Star Trek:Generations was widely heralded and hyped as the "passing of the torch" to a new generation of heros.

Yet at the end of Generations

...

Yet Moore and Braga apparently hoped fans would leave the movie in a good mood.

They didn't.

Says you. I loved Generations. I left in a good mood. I went to see it again.
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Probably simply a case of likeminded people.

Why even create a thread asking people a question, only to invalidate everything that is contrary to what you believe?
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Dayton, will you please stop all these threads that say the same thing, but phrased differently?

Either see the fucking movie and give an informed opinion on it, or stop posting the same crap over and over!

What same thing have I been saying?

Thread #1- topic- What will be the reaction if the movie disappoints at the Box Office?

Thread #2- topic- Why didn't they more closely copy the look of the Original Series?

Threat #3- topic- Is the new movie too much like Generations?
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

That you are forwarding your own agenda to hate something you have not seen and can not give an opinion of, and are trying to draw parallels to something that you have no idea about.
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Star Trek:Generations was widely heralded and hyped as the "passing of the torch" to a new generation of heros.

Yet at the end of Generations

...

Yet Moore and Braga apparently hoped fans would leave the movie in a good mood.

They didn't.

Says you. I loved Generations. I left in a good mood. I went to see it again.

Hell I saw Generations like 6 times in the theaters
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Star Trek:Generations was widely heralded and hyped as the "passing of the torch" to a new generation of heros.

Yet at the end of Generations

Kirk was dead.
So it's just like you say, a "passing of the torch".

The Enterprise-D was destroyed.
Which brings about exciting new change in the form of a new ship, which just about every fan loves.

Picards entire family was dead.
Irrelevant.

The Duras sisters were dead.
Token Klingons....


Yet Moore and Braga apparently hoped fans would leave the movie in a good mood.
Evidence?

They didn't.
I did, and so have other posters who've posted in this thread.

Apparently some pretty bad and depressing things happen in the current movie.
You haven't seen it?

Have the writer, producers, and director, in their zeal to do something "new" and to "reinvigorate" the franchise put stuff into the new movie that serves to depress and irritate the fan base?
No, not at all. Their intentions are to make money and make Star Trek finacially viable again, so anything they put in to the movie is a reflection of that. And you can see from the numerous reviews, both here and on the web - and you have been checking them out seeing as you know about the "bad and depressing" things that happen in the movie - that fans are anything but depressed and irritated.
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

No, this film isn't all that much like Generations. The new film is a reboot and a start of a whole new continuity, whereas Generations was an attempt to put the final nail in the coffin of the TOS storyline, and throw in quite a bit of TNG's baggage as well.
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Both Generations and Star Trek were "ruined" by Time Travel, so yeah to me they are similar in that aspect...
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Both Generations and Star Trek were "ruined" by Time Travel, so yeah to me they are similar in that aspect...

Time travel should be flushed down the Star Trek toilet for all time.

Forget the mechanics of it. The writers and directors sure have.

Time travel has become the Star Trek franchise catch all solution to say "we can do anything".
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

No, this film isn't all that much like Generations. The new film is a reboot and a start of a whole new continuity, whereas Generations was an attempt to put the final nail in the coffin of the TOS storyline, and throw in quite a bit of TNG's baggage as well.

Considering it was a TNG movie, it's pretty silly to be disappointed about "TNG baggage". What were you expecting?

That said, I was as nonplussed about Kirk's death as just about everyone else. Otherwise I thought it was a pretty good movie.
 
Re: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"? (Possible S

Title: Is "Star Trek" Too Much Like "Star Trek: Generations"?
Star Trek:Generations was widely heralded and hyped as the "passing of the torch" to a new generation of heros.
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Have the writer, producers, and director, in their zeal to do something "new" and to "reinvigorate" the franchise put stuff into the new movie that serves to depress and irritate the fan base?
Dayton, your thread title and your opening post don't really match up, for one.

No.
Everyone has been whining for the longest of times how Trek writers have no balls, take no chances and how the reset button has been used to death in Trek.

Well here you go. No reset buttons and consequences of the highest importance.

And the fan base in neither irritated nor depressed. Check the BBS polls and other reviews available in various sites.

Taking chances with the characters is one thing. Having someone do something unexpected or what have you.

Pulling the franchise's history out at the roots is something entirely different.
Your response here is dismissive, unsupported and nearly a non-sequitur.



Saw it for the second time earlier. Out of the 11 people I saw it with, 9 were non trekkies, and those 2 trekkies, one was a hardcore love it all fan like me and the other was a girl :p

First up, 9 non Trekkies loved it.

Girl Trekkie loved it.

Trekkie Trekkie liked it, hates some things about it and has to see it again to pass judgment.

So, i'd say 10/11 aient bad for audience satisfaction ;)

Probably simply a case of likeminded people.
Dismissive, unsupported and mildly insulting.


What same thing have I been saying?

Thread #1- topic- What will be the reaction if the movie disappoints at the Box Office?

Thread #2- topic- Why didn't they more closely copy the look of the Original Series?

Threat #3- topic- Is the new movie too much like Generations?
They could just as easily be read:
Thread #1 - topic - They're doing it wrong. Don't touch my Trek.

Thread #2 - topic - They're doing it wrong. Don't touch my Trek.

Thread #3 - topic - They're doing it wrong. Don't touch my Trek.​
That's what I'm seeing, anyway. They're just three different versions of the same thing, and this thread is the thinnest of the three, amounting to little more than chain-yanking. Now, if you're really interested in conducting a serious discussion of similarities between this movie and Generations, then I'd suggest the movies forum would be the place for it, properly flagged for spoilers, of course.

For right now in this forum, however, I'd prefer to see discussions of the J.J. Abrams movie which is in theaters now (which is the purpose of this forum), not a flurry of threads about the movie you think they should have made or that you would have made, which is the sense I'm getting from the threads you've started yesterday and today.

This thread will remain closed. Do be sure your others have more substance and relevance to the current movie, and refrain from the sort of things I've pointed out above here.
 
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