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is STAR TREK respected scifi???

I have several friends who are big time scifi fans. I admit I am not a big reader of scifi books, I am just way to busy. I like Star Trek a lot, have for most my life. But the friends of mine who read Hienlien/Asimov and others, Star Trek is seen as popcorn scifi..in fact, they seem to look down with their noses at all things Trek.

Is the reputation as wide spread? Or do you think Star Trek is not respected enough in 'true' scifi circles
 
First, I don't think it matters whether it is "respected" or not. Second, Star Trek isn't Science Fiction, its Action-Adventure Fantasy. Just because it has space ships and laser guns doesn't make it Science Fiction, which is the problem readers of Hard SF have with it.
 
I'll just say this about respect for Trek: An awful lot of scientists, engineers and astronauts seem to like it. I'm sure not ashamed of being in that club! :cool:
 
EliyahuQeoni said:
First, I don't think it matters whether it is "respected" or not. Second, Star Trek isn't Science Fiction, its Action-Adventure Fantasy. Just because it has space ships and laser guns doesn't make it Science Fiction, which is the problem readers of Hard SF have with it.

Of course it is Science-Fiction, you already made the correct distinction yourself, it just is not "Hard" SF.

Many well-respected HSF authors have spoken very highly of the show, particularly TOS.
 
Respect is a concept reletive to the eyes of the beholder.
For example, although I enjoy throwing a ball around once in a while, I find spectator sports to be the most boring, repetetive, pointless waste of time, on this or any other planet. (Though Mustafar might add an element of excitement.) But in the end, a billion dollars in combined advertising every year asks the question: what the hell do I know about respect?
 
Forbin said:
And just as many haven't, at least post-TOS.

Well with almost anything you will have people who love it, who are ambivolent and who dont care for it at all. What point are you trying to make?
 
RobertScorpio said:
But the friends of mine who read Hienlien/Asimov and others, Star Trek is seen as popcorn scifi..in fact, they seem to look down with their noses at all things Trek.

That's true of a certain subsection of SF people. Many fans of literary SF consider movie/TV SF as something relatively unsophisticated, and there is some truth in that. You can do a lot in a novel that just doesn't work on TV or in movies -- something that's true of mainstream fiction as well as SF. The kind of science fiction that Star Trek represents is where literary SF was in the 1940s. Consequently, some fans of more current SF find Trek (and most other filmed SF) old-fashioned and simplistic.

But then, a hardcore SF fan who can only name Heinlein and Asimov as the best the field has to offer may be a bit old-fashioned and dated, too.
 
I agree with you. I think Star Trek, Twilite zone as well, and BSG to some degree, tell scifi stories in a different way. As do some of the old radio shows from the 40s-50s, which I do listen to alot when I drive.

Books have by nature more time to delve into subjects with much more detail. For it's limitations, I think TREK is doing fine in terms of scifi. Well, some of TREK..not all of it.
 
USS KG5 said:
Forbin said:
And just as many haven't, at least post-TOS.

Well with almost anything you will have people who love it, who are ambivolent and who dont care for it at all. What point are you trying to make?

What point are YOU trying to make?

:p
 
For Sci-Fi TV, it's fairly well-respected, though shows like Battlestar Galactica, Firefly, and Doctor Who, I think, are proving more sophisticated than most of Trek has been, and are winning more respect and stealing some of Trek's thunder.

Amongst TV shows in general, no, not really. Amongst works of art in general? Not really. I mean, let's face it, even the best of Star Trek isn't exactly Hamlet.
 
Star Trek is the McDonald's of sci-fi.

If you prefer steak, I suggest the works of Arthur C. Clark, Frederick Pohl, and Robert Heinlein.
 
Forbin said:
USS KG5 said:
Forbin said:
And just as many haven't, at least post-TOS.

Well with almost anything you will have people who love it, who are ambivolent and who dont care for it at all. What point are you trying to make?

What point are YOU trying to make?

:p

Haha - well originally merely that just because Trek is not "Hard" Science Fiction does not mean that it is not good science fiction, less so that it is not science fiction at all. Very much as with music constantly sub-dividing genres does not really help anyone much at all.

In mentioning that many famous "Hard" sci-fi authors have made posoitive comments about the show I was implying that at least some leading figures see a great deal of merit in Trek's approach.
 
Yes of course its respected. It didn't become a billion dollar franchise for nothing. All kidding aside though-I don't care if it is or otherwise. Its been a positive, integral part of my life and I appreciate it.
 
Good Will Riker said:
Star Trek is the McDonald's of sci-fi.

If you prefer steak, I suggest the works of Arthur C. Clark, Frederick Pohl, and Robert Heinlein.

Literary sci-fi will, 90% of the time, be superior to anything they can get away with on TV or film. Of course those guys will write better stuff than Trek.
 
First, "respected sci-fi" is a contradiction in terms. "Sci-fi" indicates something more shallow, meant just to entertain.

When Star Trek is done well, it's pure science-fiction. Season one of the original is the one time that solid, great, adult science-fiction was done consistently for an entire season, except possibly Outer Limits and year one of Space:1999. I've been marvelling lately how smart original season one Trek was, and how much thinking the viewer is called upon to do (as opposed to Next Gen where the simple, obvious moral is pounded into you). These episodes are like films, and far, far better films than those maudlin Hollywood effects ST movies of the 80s.

Recently I watched some of the best original Trek, then Wrath of Khan. The episodes were like nourishment for the brain. Khan (despite being the "best" of those movies) was utterly empty, with simple cliched lines and a ranting villain, and I felt as if my brain was being starved.

If an SF premise or question is at the core of the story, then it's science-fiction. Original Trek, year one anyway, did that. Star Trek wasn't about itself then, fixating on its own characters and their careers, but was about SF concepts. By contrast the films often had little or nothing in the way of an SF premise... just bad jokes, melodrama, and moments stolen from TV episodes.

My Star Trek is that first season. Every other season of every other series I judge by how well they live up to the depth and intelligence of that season. Seasons and series that don't, I don't think of as Star Trek. So, yes, for me, Star Trek is just about as "science-fiction" as anything can be. When later "Trek" degenerates into mere space adventure, it's a betrayal, and not what Roddenberry, Coon, etc., were working hard to get onscreen. It's Hollywood product.

Now, is ST respected by literary SF fans? Hang out at a convention, and you'll hear respect and disrespect. Plenty of each I think. Remember, a lot of SF in print is extremely "soft" SF, without real SF concepts.
 
Trek plays very fast and loose with science accuracy so I can see the "popcorn sci-fi" label. It's about midway between what I'd call science fantasy (Star Wars, The Fifth Element) and hard sci-fi. Still, Stephen Hawkins is a fan so who cares? If it's good enough for him than I say we're in good company!
 
I think it cuts both ways. I think there will always be critics that will put it down but I know there are many who love it and defend it. Stargate gets put down too it's not just ST so does Farscape. I think Space shows in general get dissed.
 
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