Is Star Trek Insurrection similar to Avatar?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by The Overlord, Mar 8, 2012.

  1. The Overlord

    The Overlord Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Nov 26, 2010
    Is Star Trek Insurrection similar to Avatar? They have similar stories, yet Avatar did far better then Insurrection. How did you think these two films compare? Do you think Avatar did better solely due to superior visuals?
  2. RyuRoots

    RyuRoots Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Apr 23, 2009
    Avatar didn't do anything well except special effects. It was a pretty version of Dances with Pocahontas of Fern Gully and not a particularly good mashup.

    Despite that, I guess the blue people came off less as smug, sanctimonious hypocrites, so point to Avatar.
  3. MasuPu'a

    MasuPu'a Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Jul 20, 2011
    The basic story has been done and redone over and over again (Dances with Wolves comes to mind).

    Anyway, I just think Avatar had more than special effects. The point of Insurrection revolves around moving 600, non-indigenous people from a planet so that billions can receive medical care. Avatar; kill the indigenous people when they get in your way of mining some sort of fuel-resource. The Na'vi in general were better done as opposed to the 'thanks for saving us with your technology, by the way we hate technology' Ba'ku. Neytiri was also a way better character/love interest then that Ba'ku woman who spoke all her lines in monotone.
  4. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    Avatar and the like featured a moral dilemma, of sorts. Insurrection featured a gradually unraveling mystery that at first appeared to be a moral dilemma, providing pros and cons: mystery is always "more" (and probably "better") than no mystery, but when it removes the moral dilemma, it may end up being "less".

    Unless the moral dilemma is replaced with a great action scene, of course. Many successful movies are based on this. Although they may skip the mystery phase. And sometimes also the moral dilemma.

    Timo Saloniemi
  5. sonak

    sonak Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 13, 2007
    in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination
    at least the dilemma in "Avatar" was balanced. The Navi were a real culture of millions or billions, were indigenous to the planet and deeply intertwined with it. Plus, it was about a fuel source, not revolutionary medical treatment. Also, the Navi weren't a bunch of smug hypocrites who'd banished members of their own group off planet to die.

    just better written overall. Insurrection's "dilemma" is just pathetically weak by comparison.
  6. Admiral James Kirk

    Admiral James Kirk Writer Admiral

    Feb 5, 2001
    Tucson, AZ
    Yes. They both suck.
  7. AdmiralScreed

    AdmiralScreed Captain Captain

    Nov 5, 2011
    I would agree, although I do think INS sucked A LOT less than Avatar. Avatar is totally unbearable to watch. I avoid that movie like the plague.
  8. Tina Lawton

    Tina Lawton Commander Red Shirt

    Jan 8, 2012
    No, that was the director.

    Avatar was an anti-capatalist anti-corporation anti-military tale thinly disguised as a love story. It was pretty, but it was crap.
  9. teacake

    teacake Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jan 20, 2007
    inside teacake
    Yep, that was my conclusion. A fun evening out but have never rewatched it.
  10. EyalM

    EyalM Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 14, 2007
    INS and Avatar basically told the same story, but the main difference for me, is that INS undersold the natives' plight ("So what if billions will continue to suffer? We don't want to move"), and Avatar oversold it (by making the humans motive solely about money).