Is Spock the new R2D2? (Spoilers?)

[Jon1701]

Bear with me.


When you rewatch the original Star Wars trilogy now, it is forever coloured by the events of the prequels. As such, the movies play very differently than they did 20 odd years ago. The first time you saw Darth Vader, he was basically a bad guy for the sake of being a bad guy. Its only in later years that we found out who Anakin Skywalker was and what happened to him. Same thing for R2D2. When you watch all six movies together - the original movies play very differently. You know R2D2 knows whats going on. He's just being coy.

He knows who Luke is. He knows who Leia is. He knows who Obi wan Kenobi is.

With me?

Ok, If the rumours are true, this new movie involves Spock going back in time to meet his younger self to protect the timeline. Two things are going to happen here - either he's going to change the timeline (creating an alternate future), or he's going to restore the timeline to the one we know.

Now, if that's the case, will TOS and the first six movies play differently? Will we be able to see behind Spocks eyes and know that he knows what's going on.

Did he know all along that he would come back in time and meet himself?

Is this a good thing? Is this a bad thing?

Was this post simply to create a shock thread title?

Discuss.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I can see your point.

OTOH, I don't think about the "Star Wars" movies. I just know I like to watch "Star Wars" and "The Empire Strikes Back" and ain't interested in the other four.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Did he know all along that he would come back in time and meet himself?

Is this a good thing? Is this a bad thing?

I myself, enjoy the paradoxic, if not destined nature of it all. For sure it will "color" how we view things. I can imagine Spock's remark about Kirk's "First best destiny" taking a whole new weight to it.

Sharr

 

[biotech]

Well there is that moment in Wrath of Khan where he seems to know its time to die.

 

[shapeshifter]

Fascinating. I hope you're right, that give me all the more reasons to view all OS again and ponder the possibility's...

Reminds me of the temporal cold war paradox, many thought it aimed to destroy what had happened before but in reality it created the future we know.

 

[Arlo]

jon1701 said:
When you watch all six movies together - the original movies play very differently. You know R2D2 knows whats going on. He's just being coy.

You're confusing coy with atrocious screenwriting.

 

[Jon1701]

Sharr Khan said:

Did he know all along that he would come back in time and meet himself?

Is this a good thing? Is this a bad thing?

I myself, enjoy the paradoxic, if not destined nature of it all. For sure it will "color" how we view things. I can imagine Spock's remark about Kirk's "First best destiny" taking a whole new weight to it.

Sharr

You have to wonder how

"As I recall, you took the test three times yourself. Your final solution was...shall we say...unique"

will play (if one of the other rumours are true).

 

[Franklin]

Does this mean on December 26, 2008, all our TOS DVDs will play different stories?

Actually, it's a neat idea if Spock carried an idea that he changed history throughout the TOS timeline. But it would be very inside baseball for TOS fans.

 

[Garibaldi O'brien]

I'm sorry but Robot-Jesus is the new R2D2.

Worship Him!

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

I'm guessing Young Spock will magically forget everything he learned from Old Spock once the timeline is "restored." Maybe Superman will kiss him or something...

 

[Garibaldi O'brien]

Oh dear Robot-Jesus!

Don't let that be the case. Spock can keep a secret, so let him keep the memories. I would think old-Spock wouldn't tell him anything that would contaminate the timeline in the first place. And if he uses his "forget" meld on his younger self, I will throw things at the movie screen.

I am already underwhelmed that the movie apparently will feature time travel. There does not need to be a giant, shiny, candy-like, reset button in it too.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

R2 wasn't being coy, Obi-Wan was. R2 said in Star Wars that he once belonged to Kenobi and Kenobi denied it, just as he kept Vader's identity a secret from Luke.

Personally, I think the four middle films of SW are pretty good--taking out of chronological order but in the order of story, the quality rises through Clones to Empire. Sadly, Menace and Jedi are just terrible.

 

[ManOnTheWave]

If this is so, I'd say Spock is the only character I can think of in English speaking literature or entertainment that could pull it off. He's Spock. It's like a get out of jail free card.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Nah, it'll create a new timeline which will be followed up in future movies. So no more canon problems! The other movies will still be set in the "original" Trek universe so they won't play any differently.

 

[seigezunt]

yeah, you're on to something. Spock should be played by a midget stuffed in a can.

 

[Tralah]

I am thinking that Old Spock will be cautious not to reveal too much to Young Spock about future events for fear of the time line being altered too much.

 

[sturmde]

Or, considering Orci and Kurtzman are familiar with TAS, Old Spock will introduce himself (again) as cousin Selek.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Nah. Selek won't be available, he'll introduce himself as Ford.

 

[Jon1701]

sturmde said:
Or, considering Orci and Kurtzman are familiar with TAS, Old Spock will introduce himself (again) as cousin Selek.

That's not such a bad idea. Would be a way round it certainly. Whether Spock would buy cousin Selek again I don't know, TOS-era Spock might be a bit more universally-wise.

I like the idea of OlderSpock not revealing his true identity though. Would help protect the timeline.

 

[Jack Bauer]

Maybe older Spock mind melds with his younger self and makes him forget his knowledge of the future.