No, no, as we all know, Shakespeare appropriated Klingon plays and passed them off as his own work.
Poll Is Rey a Mary Sue?
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Don't make me get First Age on your ass!
Unbelievable the way Shakespeare ripped of the great Klingon writers.
Its the Klingon just based on Time Lord intercepted Dalek poems? TO EXTERMINATE OR NOT TO EXTERMINATE!!!!
Prophecy is nine tenths of the lore....
It's my understanding that this term means "every female character who I don't like and I feel she threatens in some way my insicure masculinity". But because it's mouthful, they prefer using the vaguely negative term "May Sue". So they can hide their sexist views: "See, it's not like I hate strong female characters who do the exact things that male characters do from the invention of fiction. The problem is they are such a Mary Sue! I'm not sure what it means but it's bad".
By the way, Luke Skywalker went from farming to destroying the most powerful weapon in the galaxy in, what?, 24 hours? And none is calling him a (googling) a "Gary Sue". Even the fact that I had to Google this term and that "May Sue" is almost exclusively used by men should demonstrate that we have to stop using it.
totally different from Luke.
You couple all the mary sue aspects of her character (that she knows how to fly, wield a lightsaber, knows all the languages) with the fact that we no nothing about the background of the character.. coupled with the fact that we don't know what DRIVES the character (why is she doing the right thing, except because the writers need her to) and those three elements combined make her a mary sue .. and the fourth element is that the audience is detached from her, never truly worried about her or surprised when she succeeds.
Let's not forget how the BTS aspects filter in.. this is Disney, this is Kathleen "all I want to talk about is fierce strong female characters, writers and directors" Kennedy
You couple all the mary sue aspects of her character (that she knows how to fly, wield a lightsaber, knows all the languages) with the fact that we no nothing about the background of the character.. coupled with the fact that we don't know what DRIVES the character (why is she doing the right thing, except because the writers need her to) and those three elements combined make her a mary sue .. and the fourth element is that the audience is detached from her, never truly worried about her or surprised when she succeeds.
Let's not forget how the BTS aspects filter in.. this is Disney, this is Kathleen "all I want to talk about is fierce strong female characters, writers and directors" Kennedy
So, you are totally making up the definition of Mary Sue and decided that it applies to Rey..?
Look, now I don't have time to refute every single point you made, but I think this suffices
Knowing nothing about the background of the character has never been one of the definitions of "Mary Sue".
This is the original short story from which the term was coined:
So please, just stop using that term, because,
Look, now I don't have time to refute every single point you made, but I think this suffices
Knowing nothing about the background of the character has never been one of the definitions of "Mary Sue".
This is the original short story from which the term was coined:
We know from this story a lot about the background of this particular character (even her ancestry).
So please, just stop using that term, because,
By the way, I learned a lot of interesting things about this term reading the Wiki page about it, like,
At ClipperCon 1987 (a Star Trek fan convention held yearly in Baltimore, Maryland), Smith interviewed a panel of female authors who say they do not include female characters in their stories at all. She quoted one as saying "Every time I've tried to put a woman in any story I've ever written, everyone immediately says, this is a Mary Sue." Smith also pointed out that "Participants in a panel discussion in January 1990 noted with growing dismay that any female character created within the community is damned with the term Mary Sue."[15]
So, this term has been used by men to restrict and silence female writers. Just for this should be banned for ever.
At ClipperCon 1987 (a Star Trek fan convention held yearly in Baltimore, Maryland), Smith interviewed a panel of female authors who say they do not include female characters in their stories at all. She quoted one as saying "Every time I've tried to put a woman in any story I've ever written, everyone immediately says, this is a Mary Sue." Smith also pointed out that "Participants in a panel discussion in January 1990 noted with growing dismay that any female character created within the community is damned with the term Mary Sue."[15]
So, this term has been used by men to restrict and silence female writers. Just for this should be banned for ever.
Why, thank you!
But truth be told, there has been an authoritative voice ("authoritative" because at least he's a screenwriter) who said that Rey is a "Mary Sue", Max Landis.
Oh, look. A male. White. What a surprise.
And even he regretted using that term.
"I regret framing it that way. I didn’t understand that the term 'Mary Sue' had been co-opted."
Let's google him!
Max Landis Accused of Rape, Assault and Psychological Abuse
You know, I'm shocked, shocked that such a person used this term...
By the way, there are people who called "Captain Marvel" a Mary Sue, and we know almost everything about her past and background. Just to remark that a lot of people don't even know what this term means, but they use it because even they know that saying "I'm a sexist jerk and I hate strong female characters" wouldn't fly well today.
Oh, look. A male. White. What a surprise.
And even he regretted using that term.
"I regret framing it that way. I didn’t understand that the term 'Mary Sue' had been co-opted."
Let's google him!
Max Landis Accused of Rape, Assault and Psychological Abuse
You know, I'm shocked, shocked that such a person used this term...
By the way, there are people who called "Captain Marvel" a Mary Sue, and we know almost everything about her past and background. Just to remark that a lot of people don't even know what this term means, but they use it because even they know that saying "I'm a sexist jerk and I hate strong female characters" wouldn't fly well today.
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What’s wrong with her being passionate about female representation in Hollywood?
Feminist conspiracy. LGBT lobbies. Cultural Marxism. SJWs. Attack to men's rights.
Sheesh, I have to explain to you everything?
Right. Silly me.
But truth be told, there has been an authoritative voice ("authoritative" because at least he's a screenwriter) who said that Rey is a "Mary Sue", Max Landis.
Oh, look. A male. White. What a surprise.
And even him regretted using that term.
"I regret framing it that way. I didn’t understand that the term 'Mary Sue' had been co-opted."
Let's google him!
Max Landis Accused of Rape, Assault and Psychological Abuse
You know, I'm shocked, shocked that such a person used this term...
By the way, there are people who called "Captain Marvel" a Mary Sue, and we know almost everything about her past and background. Just to remark that a lot of people don't even know what this term means, but they use it because even they know that saying "I'm a sexist jerk and I hate strong female characters" wouldn't fly well today.
He even looks like an incel....
I don't know, at least 8 women accused him of sexual abuse and psychological manipulation. So, I don't think the term applies to him.
But I think he's more than qualified to judge if a female character is a Mary Sue, right?
Because really all he did was pull a trigger. (But he had great timing!)
