As would keeping experienced command staff who showed aptitude in that area where they were.
Is promotion "Sometimes" a bad thing?
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As would keeping experienced command staff who showed aptitude in that area where they were.
Yes and no. You would want some experienced commanders to be promoted to support those who are demonstrating that aptitude.
Promotion schedules are bizarre to say the least. Riker, an excellent officer, was offered a command after 7 years in Starfleet. Harry Kim, also an excellent officer, was still an ensign after the same.
In the wet navy, the guidelines are:
ENS - Upon graduation
LTJG - 2 years
Lieutenant - 4 years
LCDR - 9 years
Commander - 14 years
Not sure about captain or admiral.
In the wet navy, the guidelines are:
ENS - Upon graduation
LTJG - 2 years
Lieutenant - 4 years
LCDR - 9 years
Commander - 14 years
Not sure about captain or admiral.
The thing about Riker's situation is that he could have been fast tracked with help from Pressman... likely without Riker knowing. A sort of thank you for having his back in that mutiny.
It also explains why he turns down several commands... he might feel unworthy because of guilt. "The Pegasus" is a much deeper level of an episode than many give it credit for, and can explain a LOT about his career.
It also explains why he turns down several commands... he might feel unworthy because of guilt. "The Pegasus" is a much deeper level of an episode than many give it credit for, and can explain a LOT about his career.
Good point. I love that episode and there is a lot of depth but this is a point I hadn't thought of. I really like it though.
From what I can recall the number that died in that intergalatic war was small, (10,000) considering the size of the UFP and the Klingon empire, the number of armed personnel killed in the fleet should be huge, they were not banding around numbers in the millions on the show. When it comes to sense of scale the writers do a piss poor job, too many times.
" the captain-selectee must have between 21 and 23 years of total military service before the O-6 selection board meets to consider the promotion."
TOS Kirk had about 10 years, Kelvin Kirk had none
The Navy Promotion Times in Grade Requirements
https://work.chron.com/navy-promotion-times-grade-requirements-11028.html#:~:text=Selection for commander -- the,11 years of military service.
Kelvin Kirk's advancement was ridiculous. Pure and simple. For that alone, I consider the Kelvin-verse an aberration.
Yes, I understand that Starfleet has more latitude than the wet navy. A promising officer can rise faster, a limited one is more likely to stagnate. Prime Kirk and Riker were still straining credibility. Indeed, Riker's initial age should have been set at 34 instead of 29, since Jonathan Frakes was 34 at the time. Bottom line... there are limits.
Yes, I understand that Starfleet has more latitude than the wet navy. A promising officer can rise faster, a limited one is more likely to stagnate. Prime Kirk and Riker were still straining credibility. Indeed, Riker's initial age should have been set at 34 instead of 29, since Jonathan Frakes was 34 at the time. Bottom line... there are limits.
Well, the writers often do. So, I go with "It's probably more than that." Thus, needs of the fleet allow for greater flexibility in promotion timelines.
Kirk's advancement was ridiculous, and shows nepotism as well as the extremism of the fear of the fleet, after losing a member world, multiple cadets on a rescue mission, and whatever loses were suffered by Earth by Nero's attack.
Not saying it isn't an aberration, but, as we say on Earth, "c'est la vie"
I guess for me and you the superfast or extremely slow career progression messes up our suspension of disbelief zone, for others it would be the size of the warp nacelles lol
The real struggle is just how big Starfleet is in order to say "This is how things will work in this organization." Promotions are handled poorly, sadly, based upon the needs of the plot, and not the real world expectations of promotion.
The writers really need a table of organization in order to say "This is how big and how it all works."
The writers really need a table of organization in order to say "This is how big and how it all works."
We are all anal, that's why we joined the siteWell, excuse my anality.
Yep and doing so does not spoil any of the plots or make it less entertaining, a few lines in dialogue can explain Riker's rise to promotion and sudden halt (Pegasus guilt). And why Data does not rise to the top faster (mention Starfleet prejudice).
Or stop basing the show on one ship only, make it a ship ensemble piece, promote Riker and show episodes about his ship.
The show is called Star Trek not The adventures of the USS Enterprise
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We are all anal, that's why we joined the site
Good point.
Well, less entertaining is subjective
But, I see your point. Unfortunately, without having that framework of how Starfleet works, and writers changing, you're going to have that inconsistency unless someone says "we need this!"
And, drama is always going to take priority of practicality.
Indeed. Few fans are going to want to see that TO followed to the letter.Which they would promptly ignore.
For me, the Kelvinverse is wrong because of Kirk's ridiculous advancement AND turning the Enterprise into a giant hot rod. When the movie was first coming out, I was actually going to catch out if curiousity, even though a LOT about it from what I heard just didn't ring right with me. (I've got other reasons, but it will be too long a post.)
But when the first pictures of that Enterprise appeared... I immediately dropped any hint of curiosity and did not watch that or INTO DARKNESS until BEYOND was about to be released... and I did that only because if I was going to watch BEYOND, I need to be the completionist that I am and watch the first two. It was a slog to get through those two, honestly. BEYOND, to me, is the best of the 3 by far, and I don't think my opinion of that will ever change.
But when the first pictures of that Enterprise appeared... I immediately dropped any hint of curiosity and did not watch that or INTO DARKNESS until BEYOND was about to be released... and I did that only because if I was going to watch BEYOND, I need to be the completionist that I am and watch the first two. It was a slog to get through those two, honestly. BEYOND, to me, is the best of the 3 by far, and I don't think my opinion of that will ever change.
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