Is Nu-Who Really a "Kelvin" Timeline?

[Jinn]

Intuitively I'd say:

"I just saw the Doctor regenerate in the Christmas special. I love how her first words were "Oh brilliant", although I had to rewatch it five times until I got what she was saying."

"Back when she was still in her first incarnation she was quite enigmatic."

"I just rewatched the Sixth Doctor's era and he was a real asshole."

So, male pronouns if referring to a specific previous male incarnation, female pronouns if referring to a specific female incarnation or the Doctor in general. I guess.

 

[Refuge]

I don't think it needs to be complicated. Male for when the Doctor was male and female for now.

Honestly who is going to look back at the first Doctor - bless him, that dear old fart and call him she??

 

[The Wormhole]

I feel your line here is so very, very interesting. If she's only "fairly sure" she was a man then, she's not 100% sure, which to me says she's been a woman before because she can't remember absolutely certainly if she was a man or not at a certain time, if I'm thinking this through right?

Thing is, we did see the Doctor as a child in Listen, which was clearly a boy, and is even identified as "he" by those two parental figures who visit him in the barn.

If anything, I suspect the whole "I think I was a male back then" is just Moffat trying to be vague as he often does. Note that despite it being brought up quite frequently in the story, he never makes it 100% clear that Missy is the direct successor to the Simm Master.

 

[Captain Crow]

It doesn't matter if you're referring to someone's present or past self, you always gender identify them by the gender they currently identify as.


As for whinging about continuity... Doctor Who never had any real continuity. It was just a set of characters used to tell stories with the TARDIS as cheap plot device to tell those stories in different locations.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I don't think it needs to be complicated. Male for when the Doctor was male and female for now.

Honestly who is going to look back at the first Doctor - bless him, that dear old fart and call him she??

If you mean a certain Doctor in particular, like the 10th, I'd call them whichever gender they were at the time. But the Doctor as a character in the general sense is a she now. So she's from Gallifrey and fights the Daleks on a regular basis. But back when she was the 10th, he sucked the Daleks and Cyberman into the void between universes.

 

[Refuge]

As a character the Doctor's gender is apt to change so a fix on being female or male is relative to when he or she was that gender. However I think it is a mistake to suggest that the Doctor as a character is female or male for that matter. It would be plain silly to see this Doctor as a male but also silly to think the character is a encompassing female one.

To me it rather seems clumsy and competitive referring to a time travelling gender variant time lord/lady (??) alien as being defined when the whole nature of the Doctor is about change and regenerating. It really is such a clever quite wonderful character with such possibilities.

 

[Refuge]

Thing is, we did see the Doctor as a child in Listen, which was clearly a boy, and is even identified as "he" by those two parental figures who visit him in the barn.

If anything, I suspect the whole "I think I was a male back then" is just Moffat trying to be vague as he often does. Note that despite it being brought up quite frequently in the story, he never makes it 100% clear that Missy is the direct successor to the Simm Master.

Yes, I think if we are brutally consistent with what we have actually seen and take into context how 'character' was written throughout Doctor Who, he probably was designated male. The success of Missy opened the possibility of what has now happened with the new Doctor taking female form. However it might be a bit of a stretch to go back in time and suggest previous writers really meant something other than what they actually showed. The Doctor as a child was a boy.

 

[Awesome Possum]

As a character the Doctor's gender is apt to change so a fix on being female or male is relative to when he or she was that gender. However I think it is a mistake to suggest that the Doctor as a character is female or male for that matter. It would be plain silly to see this Doctor as a male but also silly to think the character is a encompassing female one.

To me it rather seems clumsy and competitive referring to a time travelling gender variant time lord/lady (??) alien as being defined when the whole nature of the Doctor is about change and regenerating. It really is such a clever quite wonderful character with such possibilities.

I just treat the current Doctor as the Doctor in the general sense, then use past Doctors if referring to certain events during that Doctor’s run.

 

[UncleRogi]

I owe the Board an apology for my ranting last week in this thread.

Concerns outside the Board clouded my judgment.
There is no excuse for my behavior, and so I offer none.

To @starsuperion I owe a personal apology. Nothing you wrote
warranted that attack, and I am truly very sorry.

Again, to the Board Folk I can only offer my humble apologies for my behavior.

Thanks for your forbearance.

Uncle Rogi

 

[starsuperion]

I owe the Board an apology for my ranting last week in this thread.

Concerns outside the Board clouded my judgment.
There is no excuse for my behavior, and so I offer none.

To @starsuperion I owe a personal apology. Nothing you wrote
warranted that attack, and I am truly very sorry.

Again, to the Board Folk I can only offer my humble apologies for my behavior.

Thanks for your forbearance.

Uncle Rogi

It's all good Rogi, sometimes passion gets the best of all of us. I accept your apology and likewise offer my own. I would never want to have an enemy out there for such trivial reasons and hope that we as fans can learn from each other what we find commonly likeable and share in those positive aspects together.

 

[UncleRogi]

It's all good Rogi, sometimes passion gets the best of all of us. I accept your apology and likewise offer my own. I would never want to have an enemy out there for such trivial reasons and hope that we as fans can learn from each other what we find commonly likeable and share in those positive aspects together.

Thank you

 

[starsuperion]

I still say, rebooting the universe, the Pandorica saga means everything after is now a Kelvin timeline of sorts.. it fits

 

[The Wormhole]

Except here we are eight years later and the rebooted universe does not appear to be different from the previous one at all.

 

[Jinn]

Except here we are eight years later and the rebooted universe does not appear to be different from the previous one at all.

No one remembers the Dalek invasion from series 4. At least Amy didn't. Maybe she just has bad memory

 

[The Wormhole]

No one remembers the Dalek invasion from series 4. At least Amy didn't. Maybe she just has bad memory

Well, Amy forgetting the Dalek invasion was before the universe rebooted. Presumably after, she and everyone else remembers, just like her absent parents exist again after the universe rebooted, or Rory's death and erasure from existence was undone.

At the very least, we know the Dalek invasion still happened since if it didn't, then Tennant's hand job regeneration from that storyline never happened, and that was mentioned quite specifically in Time of the Doctor.

 

[Jinn]

Well, Amy forgetting the Dalek invasion was before the universe rebooted. Presumably after, she and everyone else remembers, just like her absent parents exist again after the universe rebooted, or Rory's death and erasure from existence was undone.

At the very least, we know the Dalek invasion still happened since if it didn't, then Tennant's hand job regeneration from that storyline never happened, and that was mentioned quite specifically in Time of the Doctor.

Oh, yeah you're right, that was the cracks thing. Then I guess nothing is different

 

[UncleRogi]

Well, Amy forgetting the Dalek invasion was before the universe rebooted. Presumably after, she and everyone else remembers, just like her absent parents exist again after the universe rebooted, or Rory's death and erasure from existence was undone.

At the very least, we know the Dalek invasion still happened since if it didn't, then Tennant's hand job regeneration from that storyline never happened, and that was mentioned quite specifically in Time of the Doctor.

Didn't all their memories return when Amy brought the Doctor to her wedding?

Including the Last Centurion?

 

[starsuperion]

Didn't all their memories return when Amy brought the Doctor to her wedding?

Including the Last Centurion?

exactly, their memories returned, but the people around had no clue, so that suggests Amy, the Doctor and Rory are in an alternate timeline