So she's destined to a life of disappointment in humanity and deep-seated cynicism?I was a similar child, and my mother was told it was unusual.![]()



So she's destined to a life of disappointment in humanity and deep-seated cynicism?I was a similar child, and my mother was told it was unusual.![]()
I will say that this is predominantly a fact-recitation based ability, with identification and labeling of sensory information. What I would call 'concrete thinking'.
Adults who are strong concrete thinkers tend to be traditionalists and more family oriented, that provide and protect for their flock. Also gravitate to upholding institutions such as in law or business management.
Her cultural interest in christmas is perhaps a sign of a traditionalist inclination? Understanding and distinguishing ownership of property, is perhaps a sign of a legalistic inclination?
I will say that this is predominantly a fact-recitation based ability, with identification and labeling of sensory information. What I would call 'concrete thinking'.
Adults who are strong concrete thinkers tend to be traditionalists and more family oriented, that provide and protect for their flock. Also gravitate to upholding institutions such as in law or business management.
Her cultural interest in christmas is perhaps a sign of a traditionalist inclination? Understanding and distinguishing ownership of property, is perhaps a sign of a legalistic inclination?
Of course we're dealing with concrete thought. According to Jean Piaget's work on the cognitive development of children, children do not have the cognitive ability for abstract thought until adolescence.
It does sound like she's advanced and I'm glad you'll be encouraging her. Just don't think too far ahead or push too much? My siblings and I were all really advanced in different ways, but kids change and you don't want to take the fun out of learning or burn them out early.
I will say that this is predominantly a fact-recitation based ability, with identification and labeling of sensory information. What I would call 'concrete thinking'.
Adults who are strong concrete thinkers tend to be traditionalists and more family oriented, that provide and protect for their flock. Also gravitate to upholding institutions such as in law or business management.
Her cultural interest in christmas is perhaps a sign of a traditionalist inclination? Understanding and distinguishing ownership of property, is perhaps a sign of a legalistic inclination?
Of course we're dealing with concrete thought. According to Jean Piaget's work on the cognitive development of children, children do not have the cognitive ability for abstract thought until adolescence.
It does sound like she's advanced and I'm glad you'll be encouraging her. Just don't think too far ahead or push too much? My siblings and I were all really advanced in different ways, but kids change and you don't want to take the fun out of learning or burn them out early.
This is an extremely important point. Encourage but don't push too hard and build up boredom or, even worse, resentment. Not that you were heading that way, just a general good point to keep in mind.
We're not doing any extra learning courses or anything, just reading her books, talking to her like adults instead of a baby. I guess that's why she's picking up languages faster cos she's not being cooed and gaga'ed at.
It certainly helps to not talk down to them. I mean, cute baby talk is fine...when they're itty bitty babies, but at some point you need to pretend like they're mini-adults.We're not doing any extra learning courses or anything, just reading her books, talking to her like adults instead of a baby. I guess that's why she's picking up languages faster cos she's not being cooed and gaga'ed at.
Thats another thing I wondered... again as I barely have any contact with other kids, if my girl picked up her vocabulary so quickly because she interacted only with adults. And we talked a lot.
Of course the down side is now that she was outsmarting her mother at eighteen months.
Actually, that wasn't a downside, it was quite funny.
Of course we're dealing with concrete thought. According to Jean Piaget's work on the cognitive development of children, children do not have the cognitive ability for abstract thought until adolescence.
I'm not familiar with this work, but that seems way too late. I agree that younger kids orient more towards concrete thought. However, to say that they are incapable of abstract thought until adolescence seems extreme. I know I did and I believe that most kids do well prior to adolescence.
Mr Awe
Piaget's Stages of Cognitive Development
Sensory Motor Period
(0 - 24 months)
Developmental Stage
& Approximate Age Characteristic Behavior
Reflexive Stage
(0-2 months) Simple reflex activity such as grasping, sucking.
Primary Circular Reactions
(2-4 months) Reflexive behaviors occur in stereotyped repetition such as opening and closing fingers repetitively.
Secondary Circular Reactions
(4-8 months) Repetition of change actions to reproduce interesting consequences such as kicking one's feet to more a mobile suspended over the crib.
Coordination of Secondary Reactions
(8-12 months) Responses become coordinated into more complex sequences. Actions take on an "intentional" character such as the infant reaches behind a screen to obtain a hidden object.
Tertiary Circular Reactions
(12-18 months) Discovery of new ways to produce the same consequence or obtain the same goal such as the infant may pull a pillow toward him in an attempt to get a toy resting on it.
Invention of New Means Through Mental Combination
(18-24 months) Evidence of an internal representational system. Symbolizing the problem-solving sequence before actually responding. Deferred imitation.
The Preoperational Period
(2-7 years)
Developmental Stage
& Approximate Age Characteristic Behavior
Preoperational Phase
(2-4 years) Increased use of verbal representation but speech is egocentric. The beginnings of symbolic rather than simple motor play. Transductive reasoning. Can think about something without the object being present by use of language.
Intuitive Phase
(4-7 years) Speech becomes more social, less egocentric. The child has an intuitive grasp of logical concepts in some areas. However, there is still a tendency to focus attention on one aspect of an object while ignoring others. Concepts formed are crude and irreversible. Easy to believe in magical increase, decrease, disappearance. Reality not firm. Perceptions dominate judgment.
In moral-ethical realm, the child is not able to show principles underlying best behavior. Rules of a game not develop, only uses simple do's and don'ts imposed by authority.
Period of Concrete Operations
(7-12 years)
Characteristic Behavior:
Evidence for organized, logical thought. There is the ability to perform multiple classification tasks, order objects in a logical sequence, and comprehend the principle of conservation. thinking becomes less transductive and less egocentric. The child is capable of concrete problem-solving.
Some reversibility now possible (quantities moved can be restored such as in arithmetic:
3+4 = 7 and 7-4 = 3, etc.)
Class logic-finding bases to sort unlike objects into logical groups where previously it was on superficial perceived attribute such as color. Categorical labels such as "number" or animal" now available.
Period of Formal Operations
(12 years and onwards)
Characteristic Behavior:
Thought becomes more abstract, incorporating the principles of formal logic. The ability to generate abstract propositions, multiple hypotheses and their possible outcomes is evident. Thinking becomes less tied to concrete reality.
Formal logical systems can be acquired. Can handle proportions, algebraic manipulation, other purely abstract processes. If a + b = x then a = x - b. If ma/ca = IQ = 1.00 then Ma = CA.
Prepositional logic, as-if and if-then steps. Can use aids such as axioms to transcend human limits on comprehension.
But by far the overwhelming trends I see here are learned helplessness and extrinsic locus of control. The kids overstudy and lose all thirst for learning. They grow up to learn how to appear busy while doing whatever they want. Now, part of this can be attributed to exam-oriented "education" rather than applied skills development - students are basically not expected to show their work, or face their own deficiencies. It all hinges on examination, which is when the stuff hits the fan and the frail psyches are made or broken.
At the risk of plowing my own trumpet, I just want to see where this stacks up against the "norm":
My daughter Amelia can:
- Count to 12 in English
- Count to 5 in Maori
- Knows a dozen colours
- Knows hot-cold, up-down, high-low, on-off,
- Recite the alphabet in it's entirety
- Sings (as far as I know) about a dozen songs, getting about at least 80% of the words correct, including intonation (sp?) and timing
- Ask questions (what's in there? , what's wrong daddy? etc)
- Knows the names of the 23 other kids at her nursery, and half of their parent's names, plus the six caregivers AND the caregivers of the sister nursery next door
- Remembers the location of toys (for example) days after she's finished playing with them, and also incidents that may have occurred in the past with said toys (such as one went missing, etc)
- Knows which button to press to turn on the tv, press play on the dvd player and WHICH remote is which
- Can identify, understand and distinguish ownership of property
- Understands the concept of taking turns
- Can identify different modes and vehicles of transport (car, bus, truck, train, bicycle)
- Completely follows the Christmas holiday including Santa, trees, reindeer and no doubt very soon Turkey and Ham...
There are others but that's all I can think of at present.
Age: 18 months.
So... is this normal?
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