Well stated!
Is JJ obsessed with Tubes, Piping and Warehouses? (SPOILERS BABY)
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Indeed. I got no problem with pipes. It's just the enormity and pointlessly retro appearance of it. In a century with transparent aluminum and other chemical what-nots, I think they'd be using a more advanced, efficient, and space-saving system than pumping vast amounts of water through metal piping.
And since the hangar bay seems to take up three-fourths of the secondary hull in this Enterprise, everything else would have to be smaller than ever.
They also had a budget of about $3.82 per episode. I think that may have had something to do with it
There was a Strong Bad click and point adventure game where at the end, you got to the villian's lair, which was on a space station. If you clicked on the tubing on the ceiling Strong Bad would comment, "Yup, lots of tubes everwhere. That's how you know you're dealing with Science Fiction." Or something to that effect.
I used to work for the company that built the Anheuser-Busch plant used in this movie. I laughed out loud as our heroes dashed through the depths of their mighty starships between brewer's vats. As silly looking as bar-code scanners on the Bridge.
I agree that the engineering sets we've seen to date have been simplistic. Perhaps that reflects advanced, futuristic technology, but I'd prefer a more industrial look. Might shooting these sequences in an actual navy ship have worked better? Or perhaps reuse an old submarine set and dress it up and expand it digitally?
Main engineering was my biggest disappointment in this film.
I agree that the engineering sets we've seen to date have been simplistic. Perhaps that reflects advanced, futuristic technology, but I'd prefer a more industrial look. Might shooting these sequences in an actual navy ship have worked better? Or perhaps reuse an old submarine set and dress it up and expand it digitally?
Main engineering was my biggest disappointment in this film.
You've actually proved a point made by those like me who detest Engineering: If "J.J." had a huge budget, what the hell is he doing filming in a brewery?
It's hard to debate the relative realism of the new Engineering when we're talking about 250 years from now. Might as well have asked Ben Franklin to accurately predict HDTV. My best guess is on a 23rd-century faster-than-light spaceship, less would be exposed than what we saw in the movie, more would be hidden as in the original series, simply because a cleaner aesthetic is a more pleasing one and something more-evolved humans would aspire to in industrial design. I'd like to think the Vulcan influence would impose more "logic" on design than that haphazard-looking movie Engineering!
I also don't see how this Engineering (presuming it's Main Engineering) fits within that narrow secondary hull.
all this sucks, JJ's enterprise sucks!
It might. It probably would, I believe. But it's not entirely unrealistic to believe JJ was indeed going for a submarine-thing, but could not, for some reason. A brewery such a as this might have been the next best thing.
Better then a small set with matte paintings, that's for sure.
I wasn't apying enough attention, but did any of the tubes or pipes have GNDN written on them?
JJ's fanbois are missing the point. No matter the strawmen thrown around about TOS having "pipes" JJ's "engineering" looks like a freaking brewery. It's pure cheese. It fit right in with the barcode scanners and hostess stations and lens flares everywhere.
I actually liked TOS's Engineering because it gave the sense of being powerful and was reminiscent of the steam turbine plant my father supervised without looking 20th century.
I hated how any time they left the bridge it felt as if to get anywhere you had to be walking through the brewery err engineering... which is a definitely no-no.
JJ's "engineering" doesn't look like modern nuclear reactors, either fission or fusion research, or even something high tech like the hadron collider.
I actually liked TOS's Engineering because it gave the sense of being powerful and was reminiscent of the steam turbine plant my father supervised without looking 20th century.
I hated how any time they left the bridge it felt as if to get anywhere you had to be walking through the brewery err engineering... which is a definitely no-no.
JJ's "engineering" doesn't look like modern nuclear reactors, either fission or fusion research, or even something high tech like the hadron collider.
JJ's fanbois are missing the point. No matter the strawmen thrown around about TOS having "pipes" JJ's "engineering" looks like a freaking brewery. It's pure cheese. It fit right in with the barcode scanners and hostess stations and lens flares everywhere.
I actually liked TOS's Engineering because it gave the sense of being powerful and was reminiscent of the steam turbine plant my father supervised without looking 20th century.
I hated how any time they left the bridge it felt as if to get anywhere you had to be walking through the brewery err engineering... which is a definitely no-no.
JJ's "engineering" doesn't look like modern nuclear reactors, either fission or fusion research, or even something high tech like the hadron collider.
I actually liked TOS's Engineering because it gave the sense of being powerful and was reminiscent of the steam turbine plant my father supervised without looking 20th century.
I hated how any time they left the bridge it felt as if to get anywhere you had to be walking through the brewery err engineering... which is a definitely no-no.
JJ's "engineering" doesn't look like modern nuclear reactors, either fission or fusion research, or even something high tech like the hadron collider.
Yeah, it did take me out of the movie, I have to admit. But it didn't ruin it for me.
Definitely something to revise in the sequel, though.
Definitely something to revise in the sequel, though.
Absolutely! And it would benefit from about one hundred and fifty years in progress of chemistry, engineering, and high-energy physics. The result: a smaller, simpler, more elegant design.
Well Engineering should look different than the bridge. Something that always troubled me about Engineering in TNG and VOY, was that everything had to be accessed, moved, changed around. When things are breaking, smoking, exploding and just outright non-functioning, you don't have time to remove panels and crawl through Jefferies tubes. What makes more sense? Keeping the control switches and gauges where they can be checked often, or putting them way in the bowels of the ship and relying on something going wrong throughout the ship to alert you?
I doubt very highly we will have eliminated the need for tubing by the 2300's. Engineering is where it all happens. If the Bridge is the brain, Engineering's the heart, and I expect it to look practical, not like a laboratory with sleek face panels where circuits, pipes and switches should be.
Here, my good man, courtesy of TrekCore:
So if you guys have a problem with silly, useless pipes, vats and tubes, talk to Gene Roddenberry and the set designers for the Original Series.
J.
Agreed. I liked the look/feel of the new engineering. Looked a lot more practical than having seeing half a plastic hydrant glued to the wall.
Could have done w/o the "Scotty in the tubes" sequence though. How come the water stopped flowing out after Scotty was ejected? Must not be much water aboard big E.
I thought it made the ships look more real. Like gigantic submarines.
I always thought our other ships lacked some basic internal structure.
I always thought our other ships lacked some basic internal structure.
I saw the movie a second time today and all the industrial and infrustructure bothered me less this time but let me put a few things forward. Its entirely possible that "prettying" up engineering was something that was last on the list for this new ship and maybe there are plans to cover up most of that stuff or to simply consolidate it.
The other thing is that in "Enterprise" there was a similar infrustructure on the NX-01. Granted that was on a much smaller scale. So given that, its possible that when it came to a bigger newer ship they simply kept going with that in mind. Personally I would like to see the sequel re-design the ship, just a little so that it doesn't resemble the Clinique make up counter in the mall:d
The other thing is that in "Enterprise" there was a similar infrustructure on the NX-01. Granted that was on a much smaller scale. So given that, its possible that when it came to a bigger newer ship they simply kept going with that in mind. Personally I would like to see the sequel re-design the ship, just a little so that it doesn't resemble the Clinique make up counter in the mall:d
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