kitsune
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I agree, the frenetic shakey-cam made it hard to see the piping. Except in that silly scene with Scotty in the plumbing.
Is JJ obsessed with Tubes, Piping and Warehouses? (SPOILERS BABY)
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Not to be a fanboy,but the engineer in me cheered seeing the piping in the movie.As another poster said,Trek has got it wrong for decades by 'hiding' the machienery.
Advanced tech or not,you still need to move large quantities of water,reactor coolant,waste,and plasma around the ship.Kinda hard to do that without using large tubing.The piping would have to be huge,because some of the coolant and waste will doubtless need to be insulated to prevent contamination.
Why should starfleet spend resources to 'pretty it up'?Its not like you invite distinguished guests to the boiler room,so who's to benefit from a prettier work space?Certainly not the engineer who has to fix some thing important *immediately* and has to remove a panel to get to the critical part.As someone who works on his own car it is a major pain to remove surface and unrelated stuff just to get to the critically broken part.
And no,just because the tech is more advanced doesn't mean the piping should be 'neater'.Compare a 1965 Mustang to an '09 Mustang.44 years of technological and styling advancements -and you still have to change the oil by hand,you still get dirty changing a tire, oil and coolant still circulate through the motor via pumps,acessory drives,and pipes.Compare engine bays and the advanced tech of the 2009 car actually makes a *messier* engine bay due to the vaccum tubes,wires,emission control equipment,and various sensors connected to harnesses PLUS the standard coolant/oil/fuel supply lines .If we ever get around to making an FTL ship for real on the scale of Abrams' Enterprise its probably gonna have more piping,wiring,tubes and valves than anything else built.
Advanced tech or not,you still need to move large quantities of water,reactor coolant,waste,and plasma around the ship.Kinda hard to do that without using large tubing.The piping would have to be huge,because some of the coolant and waste will doubtless need to be insulated to prevent contamination.
Why should starfleet spend resources to 'pretty it up'?Its not like you invite distinguished guests to the boiler room,so who's to benefit from a prettier work space?Certainly not the engineer who has to fix some thing important *immediately* and has to remove a panel to get to the critical part.As someone who works on his own car it is a major pain to remove surface and unrelated stuff just to get to the critically broken part.
And no,just because the tech is more advanced doesn't mean the piping should be 'neater'.Compare a 1965 Mustang to an '09 Mustang.44 years of technological and styling advancements -and you still have to change the oil by hand,you still get dirty changing a tire, oil and coolant still circulate through the motor via pumps,acessory drives,and pipes.Compare engine bays and the advanced tech of the 2009 car actually makes a *messier* engine bay due to the vaccum tubes,wires,emission control equipment,and various sensors connected to harnesses PLUS the standard coolant/oil/fuel supply lines .If we ever get around to making an FTL ship for real on the scale of Abrams' Enterprise its probably gonna have more piping,wiring,tubes and valves than anything else built.
kitsune
Captain
Vacuum tubes...in a car?
Vacuum tubes...in a car?
Vaccum lines.They redirect intake air to the braking system for boosting the power of the braking system.Try hitting the brakes with your foot on the gas.The brakes don't work very well until you're off the throttle.
I don't mean vacuum tubes as in Eniac...that would be funny though.
Warehouses with lots of tubes and pipings seems to be one of JJ's fetishes... they appear in all of his work. In the pilot episode of Alias, Sydney breaks into a large warehouse with lots of tubes and pipes... Mission Impossible III's first big action setpiece takes place in an abandoned warehouse with lots of steam and pipes.
Other JJ fetishes include:
a) Torture scenes: Both Alias and Mission III kick off with torture scenes, and of course Pike is tortured...
b) Flashback scenes/story told in flashback: Both Alias and Mission III start in the middle of an adventure, and go backwards a couple of days before the events that started the story, then tell the story until the point where we as an audience catch up.
Star Trek essentially does the same thing even though we don't know it at first. In this case the movie starts with Nero and the Narada coming back from the the Star Trek timeline we've watched over the last 40 years. Nero alters that timeline... and of course most of the plot is revealed through flashback via Spock's mind meld with Kirk.
Yancy
I think the engineering sets are fine. I like that they're something new and different from previous treks.
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