Is it time to follow up/bring a conclusion to Enterprise?
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I happened to see the episode "Sleeping Dogs" the other night on H&I. Good episode, btw. Though the episode had nothing to do with how the series concluded, I am going to borrow the phrase "sleeping dogs" to reply to your question.
It's best to let sleeping dogs lie, imho. For better or worse, if that's how the ENT writers' wanted the series to conclude, so be it. Besides, it can be fun, as a fan, to whine
, or praise 
, how a series ended.Also, if someone ever did some kind of revival of ENT to tie up "loose ends", there is no guarantee that it would meet your, or anyone's, satisfaction.
Probably because pocket books did a continuation in the novels.
Yes i think a short trek could conclude things really nicely especially with the 20th anniversary next year
I don’t see anything wrong with Short Treks involving the NX-01 crew during the early days of the Federation. That the best that could be hoped for, if you wanted live action. Otherwise, it would have to be animation.
I would love to see something even just a single streaming movie or short miniseries but I don't think it's likely. My ideal at this point would probably be similar to the Rise of the Federation novels or even something set a decade later with Ambassador Archer/Shran and Captain T'Pol.
Yeah, not a chance.
There's better odds of a second season of Firefly.. or a third season of SG-U..
It ain't happening. I love Bakula Trek as much as the next quantum leaper, but the Berman/Braga era is buried so deep in the earth's crust that it would take a meteor the size of NYC to dislodge it.
There's better odds of a second season of Firefly.. or a third season of SG-U..
It ain't happening. I love Bakula Trek as much as the next quantum leaper, but the Berman/Braga era is buried so deep in the earth's crust that it would take a meteor the size of NYC to dislodge it.
Yes, as long as there's a clearly different style from the Dominion War.
Nope, Star Trek is a action-adventure show, watching the creation of a political/military alliance would be boring.
A bit of a long post here.
If the Romulan War ever ended up on screen, I’ve always imagined it being a guerilla warfare in space meets the War on Terror with a bit of WW2:
- drone warfare (Romulan drone ships, meaning thousands of kidnapped Aenar to pilot them), with the Romulans going after anyone would was a part of the Coalition of Planets, regardless if they were an ally (i.e. Tellar Prime) or they were neutral during the war (i.e. Denobula), because of their perceived defensive war against Earth.
- occasional kamikaze attacks on planets by Romulan Birds of-Prey (i.e. Coridan as in The Good that Men Do, which resulted in billions of deaths).
- Romulan puppet governments (Coridan & Tandar Prime), for the purposes of thefts of starship designs, intelligence gathering, assassinations, and infecting ships and starbases with Romulan subroutines
- Remans taking ships and crews hostage, occasionally reading Rights of Statements before execution, and broadcasting through subspace radio.
- Romulan ships (both ENT & TOS Birds-of-Prey) self destructing to avoid capture from Earth vessels, even when boarded.
- Romulan insurgency (cloaked Romulan mines, Earth convoys frequently ambushed from behind moons or other interstellar bodies after decloaking, masked Reman shock troops boarding cargos ship and frequently overwhelming those crews & their primitive weaponry (think EM-33 or the weapons they had in Fortunate Son), while MACO troops frequently fall for the trap of fake distress calls of damaged vessels).
- Earth ships (NX class & Freedom class (MACO) offensively, Emmette-type & Intrepid-type defensively) having to deploy photonic torpedoes like mines as a tactic in response, connecting it to something Captain Janeway did on Voyager a few times. This tactic also leads to an eventual depletion of antimatter reserves.
- WMD warfare on the part of the Romulans (biological, chemical, nuclear) through the TOS Birds-of-Prey that forces Earth (both Starfleet & Earth Cargo Authority/Earth Cargo Service) & its recently joined allies (Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites) to weigh the moral implications of using nukes to help end the war, which is contentious due to WW2, the Eugenics Wars, & the outcome of WW3 and the post-atomic horror. Spatial torpedoes would make a brief return for the Earth ships for this purpose.
- MACO ships like the Franklin are the 22nd century equivalent of the German tank problem in WW2
- Ship weapon upgrades are due to MACO & Andorian cooperation (to explain why they weapons have the colour they do in TOS), transporter upgrades (like how they are in TOS & Discovery) are due to Tellarite cooperation, and Warp 7 ships are due to Vulcan cooperation (& Tobin Dax).
The duration of such a war would have an impact on the human psyche and morality, with early frustrations amongst the human crews going from minor bickering over movie night, writing letters, what they get “paid, ” being drafted into war, and inability to have face to face communications with the Romulans to a behaviour once recognized by Quark:
Quark said:
The human crews’ overtime would be:
- forced to go from neutral language like “tactical alert” to embracing aggressive language like “battle stations”.
- engage in infighting, power struggles, and regularly challenging the authority of the commanding officer in front of others.
- emulate behaviors of the NX-01 crew during the Xindi crisis (torture, openly stealing warp coils and other parts from passing ships, and a general lack of mercy).
- emulate behaviours from the Mirror Universe (frequent backstabbing & intrigue, captain’s woman, conquering worlds & laying waste to them, propaganda that the war is going well, corrupt and arrogant, brutal & savage).
- emulation of those behaviours from the Xindi crisis and mirror universe would be rooted in a genuine discomfort of losing people.
- characters like Archer, Shran, Soval, T’Pau, Skon, Captain Stiles and even Section 31 operatives like Harris & Reed, etc would be aware that what is going on among some of the human crews during the war is wrong and that Earth was at significant risk of returning back to the days of the post atomic horror.
- Even the Klingons would take note of both Earth’s and Romulus’ behaviour during the war, although they would be quiet about it in general.
Essentially, they would have both their humanity & 22nd century institutions severely challenged.
I don’t think there is much I can do from the Romulan side of things, other than have the Romulans hint that significant political changes on the basis of morality will occur between the ENT days and TOS days when they next meet after the Battle of Charon (change in military uniform & acceptance of female commanders), and that they embrace the form of mourning used by Nero’s crew. And perhaps they change their stance on Vulcan over the course of the war, from reunification to extermination due to a coup d’état on Romulus.
Overall, aspects of it would be rather dark and un-Star Trek like, but would capture the idea of the war being “a primitive time,” to quote Kirk in Balance of Terror and would mark a significant divergence from the portrayal of the Dominion War (which was total warfare).
Maybe what I’ve outlined is too dark, maybe even darker that what’s been aired on Star Trek in the past, and turns Star Trek for the duration of this story into a war drama, but it’s just a concept. I don't expect it to be used at all. But this feels like TV-MA to me, even though there are no blood and guts at all.
No. Some reasons (IMHO) being that
(a) the prequel didn't need to be made when plenty of the present and future could have been
(b) the prequel didn't answer any big questions leading to events that culminated in TOS Kirk era
(c) the prequel didn't answer any big questions leading to events that culminated in TOS Kirk era very well
(d) the prequel didn't answer any real questions either
(e) the prequel tried to make big situations (e.g. Xindi and Earth going boom boom), which doesn't hold up since we all know everyone will exist at the end. (Or nothing was compelling to make the sweeps week event that compelling to follow up on. The trope of "The world's a rubbish place until history got changed and that created 23rd century Shatner Kirk era" doesn't do much (for many) either
(f) people were griping about the look of the show not looking inferior to TOS even back then - maybe this is the ultimate question: If they can't mimic the look of the time period they're pretending to be in, then those scripts and acting really need to make up for the visual discrepancies. Or just don't bother with miming in mining the past. It just won't add up. Not even in Star Wars
(g) It's a prequel. Shoehorning stuff in. Those always beg new questions
(h) if one looks at the series without continuity or connection to the other series, then why bother giving it the same family franchise name?
(a) the prequel didn't need to be made when plenty of the present and future could have been
(b) the prequel didn't answer any big questions leading to events that culminated in TOS Kirk era
(c) the prequel didn't answer any big questions leading to events that culminated in TOS Kirk era very well
(d) the prequel didn't answer any real questions either
(e) the prequel tried to make big situations (e.g. Xindi and Earth going boom boom), which doesn't hold up since we all know everyone will exist at the end. (Or nothing was compelling to make the sweeps week event that compelling to follow up on. The trope of "The world's a rubbish place until history got changed and that created 23rd century Shatner Kirk era" doesn't do much (for many) either
(f) people were griping about the look of the show not looking inferior to TOS even back then - maybe this is the ultimate question: If they can't mimic the look of the time period they're pretending to be in, then those scripts and acting really need to make up for the visual discrepancies. Or just don't bother with miming in mining the past. It just won't add up. Not even in Star Wars
(g) It's a prequel. Shoehorning stuff in. Those always beg new questions
(h) if one looks at the series without continuity or connection to the other series, then why bother giving it the same family franchise name?
If we allow the same amount of years to have passed it would be about 2170. Early years of the Federation, post Romulan War. The ENT characters could appear, but I think a show set in this period would better to be set on a new ship with a new crew. Maybe with Admiral Archer as a recurring character.
Captain Mayweather is a possibility. Anthony Montgomery is 48yo and might be up to it. I didnt think much of the Mayweather character, but I don't think that was Montgomerys fault. I think they didnt do enough with him.
Captain Mayweather is a possibility. Anthony Montgomery is 48yo and might be up to it. I didnt think much of the Mayweather character, but I don't think that was Montgomerys fault. I think they didnt do enough with him.
The prequels are set in the future.
But this goes for all the Trek series, big events rarely result in big changes.
The sweep week is a thing of the past, has been for a while now.
I've seen Montgomery in other shows, and he's a pretty good actor when you give him material he can get his teeth into.
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Yeah. I know. Not gonna happen. But that was not his fault. He was not popular with many fans, but let's give him a chance. It's not a failure of acting.
Yes. It was not any failing on his part. I would be curious to see him as a ST lead.
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I think it was Montgomery's acting. They were initially giving him that stuff about being a Space Boomer who was the most deep space-experienced member of the crew, but he delivered the lines like he was an awestruck green ensign.
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