Is it possible to whittle down all the Canon Issues down to 3x Time Lines?

[Tomalak]

I actually like this theory a lot. It also explains a major elephant in the room: Section 31. In DS9 they are a shadowy organisation that no one's ever heard of and aren't spoken of openly, whereas apparently 120 years ago they were a whole Waffen-SS with their own ships, advanced technologies and kinky black uniforms.

I don't dismiss it outright but there's a major hole in the Three Timelines Theory.

If things changed after First Contact, you'd think Picard and the Enterprise crew would've noticed once they get back. So you'd also think either Picard or Temporal Investigations would try to fix whatever was changed. Picard might -- might -- say, "Who's to say which is better?" and let it slide... but TI seems particularly stringent.

This is a feature, not a bug. Picard and co return to their original timeline, but they've created a new one that goes on without them. The Picard and the Enterprise of this future are no doubt different from the ones we know and love. This is potentially the future we see in the Kelvin timeline where Spock comes from. It could also be where ST:P is set, but we'll wait and see.

The original timeline still has DS9 and Voyager, so with a less paranoid early Federation, Section 31 stay in their box working behind the scenes and aren't a big deal. No advanced technologies, and DS9 exists in the TOS world inhabited by Kirk and newfangled tribbles.

The FC-ENT theory is quite long-established and JJ/Disco adds to it. ENT is common to them both but doesn't exist in the prime timeline (at least in the same way).

 

[Tomalak]

Broad strokes are relatively the same, details are different across timelines. Much like we've seen it presented in "Parallels". But, I actually have First Contact taking place in the same timeline as Voyager. Its the events they take part in that creates a fork in the road in 2063.

Yeah I was thinking this. Ultimately it doesn't really matter which timeline you put Voyager in, because they're doing their own thing and aren't mentioned anywhere else, except for Janeway popping up in Nemesis for a cameo.

 

[Lord Garth]

So technically, those who don't accept DSC have an out if they don't like its depiction of The Future. Here's hoping they take it instead of subjecting us to mock outrage.

 

[Tomalak]

This also works with another of those theories I've liked for ages - the original NX-01 was called Dauntless, which is why the Voyager crew are so accepting of the NX-01-A they encounter with the same name, and why it was never on the TMP Rec Deck or TNG's observation lounge.

Cochrane calls it Enterprise instead in the ENT timeline because it's the name of Riker and Troi's ship.

 

[BillJ]

So technically, those who don't accept DSC have an out if they don't like its depiction of The Future.

The only real issue I have with Discovery is the underwhelming writing. Which honestly sticks out more in a serialized arc versus and episodic format.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Fanspec is great, but it really should align with the official view as it develops. All I see are two recognized timelines prone to minor updates (eg. Gabriel Bell) and various retcons in the way we interpret them. There also seem to be two different views (sort of like UI themes) on the Prime Timeline, which I might unofficially name OrigiVision and DiscoVision, the latter likely to remain limited in application (hence the designation).

 

[Spot261]

A good thing may be to train people to come to a point in a concise way. Instead of prattling on for multiple paragraphs, just use a few sentances.

TL;DR

 

[Spot261]

That YouTube video's creator uses a poop avatar, which is funny, because Patrick Stewart played the poop emoji in the Emoji Movi... Putain de merde!!!

Captain Picard started a YouTube Channel to definitively sort out the canon timelines! It's finally happening!

I bet there are actually four timelines, but they're trying to torture him into believing there are five.

Buuuut, which timeline is the emoji movie in?

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Buuuut, which timeline is the emoji movie in?

Hopefully one that was erased.

 

[Myko]

3? You think too small. Every instance of time travel creates a new timeline, so the first timeline stops already in The Naked Time.

 

[F. King Daniel]

What are your thoughts on his theory?

 

[Tomalak]

Of course all this is basically a way to rationalise different production teams in-universe. It doesn't really matter or affect the way I enjoy (or not) an episode of Star Trek.

It's just a bit of fun.

 

[Spot261]

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[Boris Skrbic]

”Let a complex system repeat itself long enough, eventually something surprising might occur.”

 

[Unimatrix Q]

A theory that deals with different timelines for Trek also needs to explain the differences between early TNG and the later Seasons imo. I don't see any of the mentioned theories deal with this stuff. They are way to generic for me.

 

[Myko]

Considering our hero ship encounters timey wimey stuff every so often and that starfleet has hundreds of ships that also should affect the timeline every now and then, not to mention all the other space faring (not that you'd need to be space faring to time travel) species it's a miracle the show doesn't look completely different every week!

 

[Nenya]

Why do these things always have to be videos, and lengthy ones at that.

Sorry, too long, can't be bothered - give me something to read instead...

OT, but this made me think of something. Younger generations probably wouldn't want to read something very long because they don't have the patience for it (MTV generation). I'm with you in that I'd rather read something at my own leisure instead of watching some slick video. Plus I'm not always somewhere where I can watch a video with the volume up and captions are iffy.
Anyway, carry on.

 

[Spot261]

OT, but this made me think of something. Younger generations probably wouldn't want to read something very long because they don't have the patience for it (MTV generation). I'm with you in that I'd rather read something at my own leisure instead of watching some slick video. Plus I'm not always somewhere where I can watch a video with the volume up and captions are iffy.
Anyway, carry on.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the MTV generation are no longer young...

 

[Spot261]

”Let a complex system repeat itself long enough, eventually something surprising might occur.”

That would be the guitar solo.

 

[Tomalak]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the MTV generation are no longer young...

Yeah the so-called 'MTV generation' were growing up in the eighties and nineties, so they'd be in their thirties and fourties by now.

It's like when people complain about 'millennials' when they mean teenagers. The youngest millennials are in their twenties.