Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

[Sorak]

A public holodeck would be constantly occupied by the deviants of the society and it would just end up being a place where the lowest of the low congregate.

Isn't it better to have all the 'deviants' congregate in one place? Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

Your police state will be easier to manage that way.

An army of little Reginald Barclays with a penchant for deviant sexual practices? No thank you!

 

[Cyke101]

A public holodeck would be constantly occupied by the deviants of the society and it would just end up being a place where the lowest of the low congregate.

Isn't it better to have all the 'deviants' congregate in one place? Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

Your police state will be easier to manage that way.

An army of little Reginald Barclays with a penchant for deviant sexual practices? No thank you!

Oh, you can solve the problem, easy. Make the holodeck completely enclosed in a giant cube with no way to get in: no windows, no doors, no nothing. When the Barclarmy is about the storm the place, kindly inform them that the only way inside is by transporter. They will easily refuse and go somewhere else to unhealthily live out simulated adventures with a starship 50,000 light years away.

 

[T'Girl]

A public holodeck would be constantly occupied by the deviants of the society and it would just end up being a place where the lowest of the low congregate.

Isn't it better to have all the 'deviants' congregate in one place? Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

Perhaps holodecks, in addition to recycling unused replicated food and drink, could "recycle" societies little problem people too ... with a court order of course.

 

[infinix]

A public holodeck would be constantly occupied by the deviants of the society and it would just end up being a place where the lowest of the low congregate.

Isn't it better to have all the 'deviants' congregate in one place? Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

Your police state will be easier to manage that way.

Since I came back to this thread, I might as well continue.

If you are telling me regulating *public* holodecks is equivalent of running a police state, then we already live in a police state right now in the US. Let's replace the word replicator with the word library.

In a public library, people aren't allowed to be nude, people aren't allowed to have sex in, people aren't allowed to bring guns and have target practice, people aren't allowed to hold rallies or become a vendor or do a host of other things without approved permits.

Do you honestly believe what you are suggesting?

 

[JarodRussell]

A public holodeck would be constantly occupied by the deviants of the society and it would just end up being a place where the lowest of the low congregate.

Isn't it better to have all the 'deviants' congregate in one place? Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

Perhaps holodecks, in addition to recycling unused replicated food and drink, could "recycle" societies little problem people too ... with a court order of course.

Or the other way. Miss your grandma? Don't have to.

 

[BillJ]

A public holodeck would be constantly occupied by the deviants of the society and it would just end up being a place where the lowest of the low congregate.

Isn't it better to have all the 'deviants' congregate in one place? Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

Your police state will be easier to manage that way.

Since I came back to this thread, I might as well continue.

If you are telling me regulating *public* holodecks is equivalent of running a police state, then we already live in a police state right now in the US. Let's replace the word replicator with the word library.

In a public library, people aren't allowed to be nude, people aren't allowed to have sex in, people aren't allowed to bring guns and have target practice, people aren't allowed to hold rallies or become a vendor or do a host of other things without approved permits.

Do you honestly believe what you are suggesting?

Obviously by comparing a public holodeck to a public restroom, you would imagine each patron would have their own little cubicle to carry out their respective fantasies.

So what would it matter what a perspective patron was doing as long as their pants were pulled back up upon exit?

 

[BillJ]

A public holodeck would be constantly occupied by the deviants of the society and it would just end up being a place where the lowest of the low congregate.

Isn't it better to have all the 'deviants' congregate in one place? Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

Perhaps holodecks, in addition to recycling unused replicated food and drink, could "recycle" societies little problem people too ... with a court order of course.

Soylent Green is people!

 

[infinix]

Obviously by comparing a public holodeck to a public restroom, you would imagine each patron would have their own little cubicle to carry out their respective fantasies.

So what would it matter what a perspective patron was doing as long as their pants were pulled back up upon exit?

1. You believe people will actually ever voluntarily exit a holodeck that they don't have to pay anything for? Especially when all physical sustenance can be provided by the holodeck?

2. In today's public bathrooms, you can get arrested for having sex in that little cubbie because it still considered public space. I know from personal experience.

3. The sort of setup you are describing isn't really public in the same way that public bathrooms or public parks are. They would just be publicly funded fantasy booths that people can take advantages of and simply live the rest of their lives in it.

Congrats, you now have a society where people are welcome to escape from reality in a place where they will literally be god. I wonder how that will turn out.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Regardless of what your stance on how holodecks should be used, I think its safe to assume that there will NOT be public holodecks...

Please don't reply with "and what's wrong with that." The closest example I can think of is neighborhoods fighting to keep casinos and slot parlors out of their county.

Or, a couple of decades ago in the U.S., "adult" book stores. And you know what, "neighborhoods" won some and lost some on that score; it often depended upon local commercial zoning regulations which had to be applied with some equality to other small businesses.

Jumping from "this is objectionable to many people" to "this will not happen because people won't stand for it" is an unjustified leap. In many democracies individuals have some protection from the little tyrannies of "community standards."

 

[Sorak]

Sorry, a silly double post.

 

[Sorak]

Isn't it better to have all the 'deviants' congregate in one place? Easier to keep an eye on them that way.

Your police state will be easier to manage that way.

An army of little Reginald Barclays with a penchant for deviant sexual practices? No thank you!

Oh, you can solve the problem, easy. Make the holodeck completely enclosed in a giant cube with no way to get in: no windows, no doors, no nothing. When the Barclarmy is about the storm the place, kindly inform them that the only way inside is by transporter. They will easily refuse and go somewhere else to unhealthily live out simulated adventures with a starship 50,000 light years away.

This pretty much explains how Barclay:

1) Got in Starfleet Academy.
2) Finished Starfleet Academy.
3) Got promoted to Lieutenant.
4) Got assigned to the flagship and finest vessel in Starfleet.

 

[infinix]

Or, a couple of decades ago in the U.S., "adult" book stores. And you know what, "neighborhoods" won some and lost some on that score; it often depended upon local commercial zoning regulations which had to be applied with some equality to other small businesses.

Jumping from "this is objectionable to too many people" to "this will not happen because people won't stand for it" is an unjustified leap. In many democracies individuals have some protection from the little tyrannies of "community standards."

Well, for that matter, strip clubs, too. But then guess what, those place are heavily regulated and is not open to all public, is it? Children aren't allowed in those establishments. People under the age of 21 aren't allowed to purchase alcohol in those establishments.

Also, the adult book stores are not allowed to carry any material that depicts explicit rape or underage sex without a disclaimer that it is all acted out.

So guess what? Regulations.

 

[xortex]

How about the t.v. itself. Is it sending bad messages to childen? It it regulated or screened anymore for deviant content (3 and a half men anyone, Family Guy?) I threw out my set because it is twisted. Can you trust an artist? No, but there should be some common standards of decency. Would you watch a show called 3 and a half prostitutes? If the third one was a midget, I guess.

 

[BillJ]

Obviously by comparing a public holodeck to a public restroom, you would imagine each patron would have their own little cubicle to carry out their respective fantasies.

So what would it matter what a perspective patron was doing as long as their pants were pulled back up upon exit?

1. You believe people will actually ever voluntarily exit a holodeck that they don't have to pay anything for? Especially when all physical sustenance can be provided by the holodeck?

2. In today's public bathrooms, you can get arrested for having sex in that little cubbie because it still considered public space. I know from personal experience.

3. The sort of setup you are describing isn't really public in the same way that public bathrooms or public parks are. They would just be publicly funded fantasy booths that people can take advantages of and simply live the rest of their lives in it.

Congrats, you now have a society where people are welcome to escape from reality in a place where they will literally be god. I wonder how that will turn out.

You seem to assign the worst qualities to pretty much everyone. Many can play video games for an hour a day then go on with the rest of their lives. Many can watch a little bit of TV and go on with the rest of their lives.

I'm reminded of the upstanding reasons some applied to outlawing cocaine:

In 1900, the Journal of the American Medical Association published an editorial stating, "Negroes in the South are reported as being addicted to a new form of vice – that of 'cocaine sniffing' or the 'coke habit.'" Some newspapers later claimed cocaine use caused blacks to rape white women and was improving their pistol marksmanship. Chinese immigrants were blamed for importing the opium-smoking habit to the U.S. The 1903 blue-ribbon citizens' panel, the Committee on the Acquirement of the Drug Habit concluded, "If the Chinaman cannot get along without his dope we can get along without him."

The banning of cocaine and opium has turned out to be a boon for civilization I'd say.

As we move forward in the technological age it will be education not regulation that will allow us to safely enjoy our fantasy worlds.

Remember, the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

 

[xortex]

Unfortunately art can't be regulated and everything, even science is an art and can be learned from as everything in the universe is constantly evolving but I'd like to see a deviant make it out of his holo-hell (his will) prison? learning ground (tough love, revenge kind of thing) a la THX.

 

[BillJ]

Well, for that matter, strip clubs, too. But then guess what, those place are heavily regulated and is not open to all public, is it? Children aren't allowed in those establishments. People under the age of 21 aren't allowed to purchase alcohol in those establishments.

Quite a message we're sending there! At 18 you're old enough to fight, kill an enemy and die for your country... yet you're not old enough to drink a beer or see a booby.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[JarodRussell]

Well, for that matter, strip clubs, too. But then guess what, those place are heavily regulated and is not open to all public, is it? Children aren't allowed in those establishments. People under the age of 21 aren't allowed to purchase alcohol in those establishments.

Quite a message we're sending there! You're old enough to fight, kill an enemy and die for your country... yet you're not old enough to drink a beer or see a booby.

Makes perfect sense.

Duty first, fun second.

 

[BillJ]

Well, for that matter, strip clubs, too. But then guess what, those place are heavily regulated and is not open to all public, is it? Children aren't allowed in those establishments. People under the age of 21 aren't allowed to purchase alcohol in those establishments.

Quite a message we're sending there! You're old enough to fight, kill an enemy and die for your country... yet you're not old enough to drink a beer or see a booby.

Makes perfect sense.

Duty first, fun second.

What about those like me who are unable to serve (blind in one eye)? Why should they have to wait?

 

[Marten]

I don't see who suffers from holographic sex, and therefore I see no moral problems.

 

[infinix]

In 1900, the Journal of the American Medical Association published an editorial stating, "Negroes in the South are reported as being addicted to a new form of vice – that of 'cocaine sniffing' or the 'coke habit.'" Some newspapers later claimed cocaine use caused blacks to rape white women and was improving their pistol marksmanship. Chinese immigrants were blamed for importing the opium-smoking habit to the U.S. The 1903 blue-ribbon citizens' panel, the Committee on the Acquirement of the Drug Habit concluded, "If the Chinaman cannot get along without his dope we can get along without him."

The banning of cocaine and opium has turned out to be a boon for civilization I'd say.

As we move forward in the technological age it will be education not regulation that will allow us to safely enjoy our fantasy worlds.

Remember, the road to hell is paved in good intentions.

Just so happens that I am of Chinese decent and I know about Chinese history in the late 19th, early 20th century. Do you know what opium did to China as a country in the 19th century? Because opium was never regulated, almost half of the man who would other wise be productive members of the society got addicted to the poison and , in every sense of the word, wasted their lives away in opium dens.

According to Chinese history, it was the Brits who imported the opium and started getting the Chinese men addicted to them so to make it easier to manipulate the then dynasty . Please don't lecture about controlled substance.

Also, the idea that education alone is supposed to lift our species out of our ignorance is ignorant in itself. Greed, lust, and vanity run rampant in the halls of our higher education. Those who assisted and facilitated the most recent economic crash were some of the most well educated minds our institutions had to offer.

I agree that some regulations makes little sense. But to say that we should abandon attempts to regulate is illogical. We have to draw the line somewhere. We can argue over where the line should be draw, but don't tell me there shouldn't be any lines. We didn't evolve to where we are by allowing every member of our society to enjoy in self-indulgent behavior as often and as much as possible.

I say you have way too much confidence in our species if you believe that everyone will still behave orderly and leave each other alone when all societal, legal or otherwise, breakdown around us.