Is it ok to have sex with holograms?

[scotpens]

Mentally illed people and psychopaths are not the same! Mentally illed people don't necessarily harm people...

The word “illed” is street slang and not a correct synonym for “ill.” Or are you using it on purpose?

Normal functioning adults do not indulge in or manifest rape/torture/murder fantasies.

Really? Do you know the private thoughts of your friends, relatives, co-workers, the guy who fixes your car? There are plenty of websites that sell, discuss and review fetish videos depicting all sorts of mayhem — women being abducted, held against their will, tortured, raped, even crucified (all play-acted, of course). Are the people who produce, perform in, and watch these videos all mentally disturbed? There aren’t nearly enough true psychopaths in the world to make such an industry profitable.

I'd rather someone whip up an image of my wife to rape . . .

Or rape an image of your wife to whip!

And when did rape/torture/murder fantasies become a cause?? Surely you are not equating this discussion with equal rights for the LGBT community.

No, it’s more like equal rights for people whose political philosophy calls for violent revolution, or people whose religion demands converting non-believers by force. Not the right to commit real acts of force or violence, but the right to think.

 

[infinix]

No, I do not know the thoughts of everyone around me. Which is my part of my argument is that these fantasies are manifesting into normal aspects of their lives.

Example: If a school teacher constantly have the same student write essays about murdering other students. If a boss discovers an employee writing numerous emails detailing how to abduct and rape a fellow coworker.

Are you honestly going to tell me that if you were the teacher or the boss that you would simply ignore those warning signs and hope things simply work out for the better?

Freedom of thought and right to think isn't really at issue here since there is NO WAY those can be controlled regardless of what anyone says. This discussion has somehow evolved into a discussion on freedom of expression. One is always free to publicly express anything possible, just know that there will always be consequences to those expressions. The first amendment does NOT protect all speech.

There are plenty of websites that sell, discuss and review fetish videos depicting all sorts of mayhem — women being abducted, held against their will, tortured, raped, even crucified (all play-acted, of course). Are the people who produce, perform in, and watch these videos all mentally disturbed? There aren’t nearly enough true psychopaths in the world to make such an industry profitable.

I think play-acted is the key word, isn't it? While those websites are distasteful in my opinion, at least there is some context and established frame that everything on it is really fake. What do you suppose will happen if someone puts up a website depicting violent rape/torture/murder without any context or disclaimer about its contents?

 

[Paradon]

Mentally illed people and psychopaths are not the same! Mentally illed people don't necessarily harm people...

The word “illed” is street slang and not a correct synonym for “ill.” Or are you using it on purpose?

It doesn't matter, does it? I got my point across, didn't I? [chuckle]

 

[Nightdiamond]

Prohibition-outlawing alcohol, bad idea.

Violates privacy, personal choice.

Regulating books on how to how to stalk and kill people without leaving evidence-good idea.

I think we have to look at each example carefully and then see if it should be regulated or controlled.

If you're using a holo-deck to fantasize rape, murder, pedophilia and torture-you might need to be observed carefully.

In theory we shouldn't, but realistically, in a logical society, who's going to take that chance?

 

[Solarbaby]

We are judging by 21st century standards. In 24th it might not be an issue

 

[Paradon]

Prohibition-outlawing alcohol, bad idea.

Violates privacy, personal choice.

Regulating books on how to how to stalk and kill people without leaving evidence-good idea.

I think we have to look at each example carefully and then see if it should be regulated or controlled.

If you're using a holo-deck to fantasize rape, murder, pedophilia and torture-you might need to be observed carefully.

In theory we shouldn't, but realistically, in a logical society, who's going to take that chance?

You know when someone buds into other people's private affair, that's called being noisy.

 

[Paradon]

We are judging by 21st century standards. In 24th it might not be an issue

If people in the 24th are part Klingons.....

People in the future don't have sex?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Look at it this way: The more somebody fantasizes about something, the LESS likely it could be that they will actually do that thing for real. If somebody's got so much rage inside them that they fantasize about killing, perhaps a holodeck would be the perfect outlet for that rage? Kill a non-sentient hologram and you don't have to kill a living person.

 

[T'Girl]

If you're using a holo-deck to fantasize rape, murder, pedophilia and torture-you might need to be observed carefully.

Data: "It was just after I had killed the Borg. I looked down at his body. I felt something ... I believe it was pleasure."

Later in the holodeck, Geordi walks in on Data and watches as he's strangle a Borg. The Borg assimilate individuals, we know from Picard's experiences that the individuals continue to possess a consciousness beneath the Borg collective control. If ever there was a group of rape victums on Star Trek, the Borg were they.

And Data was murdering them by crushing their necks, probably more than the one we saw. In an attempt to re-experience the anger and the pleasure that the previous occasion had provided him.

Geordi did not seem to find this to be something he needed to stop, or even discuss with Data. When Data was finished with his latest "victim," Geordi merely ask if he was ready to return to duty. Geordi very well might have found the actions of one of his best friends distressing, but he also would have realize than Data wasn't actual hurting anyone, "not even" a Borg. It's no different than Worf stabbing and hacking to death his opponents, or Barclay making out with Deanna Two Point Oh.

Or any of you having holo-sex with a certain one year old Occampa.

I think we have to look at each example carefully and then see if it should be regulated or controlled.

The poosibility exists that the various holodeck computers would be "hard wired" not to provide certain kind of entertainment, just as your home replicator would not provide certain items (i.e. explosives).

You could no more obtain holo-rape porn, than you could a block of C4, it would be the same. A matter of societal standards and manufacturing ordinances.

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

The poosibility exists that the various holodeck computers would be "hard wired" not to provide certain kind of entertainment, just as your home replicator would not provide certain items (i.e. explosives).

Agreed. The computers controlling a holodeck or replicator would be programmed to detect the user based on his/her voice patterns, and presumably the user would establish an 'account' which provided them with various levels of use which they would be allowed to do (depending on age, security clearance, etc.).

 

[JayOwl]

What if it was a holo simulation of a real person without their consent? That wouldn't be nice at all.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Perhaps the computers can also be programmed to reject programs that attempt to simulate real people unless they gave consent?

 

[JayOwl]

I suppose, but it could probably be hacked using something like a holo camera.

 

[Nightdiamond]

But later, Data left the enterprise, joined the Borg, destroyed a civilation, and agreed to go on campaign to destroy the entire Federation. (where's that trademark symbol)

His behavior and the holodeck experiment-big warning sign.

Geordi got as far as kissing a copy of Lea Brahms, he possibly could have gone much farther if he wanted.

LEAH: I'm outraged by this. I have been invaded. Violated. How dare you use me like this? How far did it go, anyway? Was it good for you?

You know when someone buds into other people's private affair, that's called being noisy.

Yep, and if that person is a potential sexual, violent, pedophile, sociopath, so much the better

Once these types do get loose, the damage they do is too late to undo.

What Janeway did with a holo program was normal (and a little sexy) .

Remember that episode where an alien wanted to have sex with a holo copy of Kira?

As long people have sex, there's gonna be trouble, lol.

 

[indolover]

Yes, it is OK. IMO, for these reasons:

- It's easy sex. it's the 24th century equivalent of going to a massage parlour.

- It's not really different from elaborate masturbation.

As for whether people will abuse it, well of course. Human beings do as such.

 

[Paradon]

People are going to do it if they are going to do it.... They'll just find illegal ways to do it and someone who will provide them with the means necessary. That's when all these black markets start popping up to provide relieve for people like this, taking advantage of the situations, when you try to regulate how people should behave and think.

 

[Paradon]

Even people with sex addiction problem, I wonder how much they can take having the emulated scene appear so real? I mean...it's one thing acting it out with your partner or some prostitute but another if the it seems like breathing normal human being in flesh...! [laugh] And, I wonder how many people actually like looking at rape-torture-scene on the internet that is really gruesome?

 

[Paradon]

One minute into the simulation, a person would probably puke all over the place and that's the last of it...! And inadvertently cure himself!

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Yes. Yes it is.

Holograms are nothing more than computer programmes, designed to do whatever the person who made them wanted. In that respect they'd be just like sex dolls.

Besides, with the door to the holosuite locked, who would ever find out?

 

[AstroSmurf]

Paradon, please make only ONE post at a time. Making multiple posts in a row for individual thoughts is not appropriate and can earn you a warning for spamming.