I thought for sure you came here!
Is it just me, or is Star Trek going the wrong way?
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I thought for sure you came here!
I mean isn't it obvious? We are not really here!
Silly goose, I'm only pretending to be here.
There isn't even a here, here; it's all a simulation. Didn't you get the memo?
Ah, heck! I was late back from lunch. Never even saw it on my desk.
Yes, but when it will then be now?
I'm only here because I was told there would be refreshments.
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Not at all, no.
Yeah, sure, okay.
Glowy-eyed superman gets in a fistfight with the lead, gets a rock dropped on him. That's Star Trek!
I wrote a long response to our bold new iconoclast but deleted it. I'll just revisit this little bit.
"I'm one of those people for which Star Trek has always been more than just some TV show I liked to watch, there have been things about it that had and have meaning to me.
If anyone thinks that silly, then I guess that's the natural filter."
Welcome to TrekBBS. By definition, if someone is participating here, Star Trek is more than just some TV show for them, because most people don't hang out in forums dedicated to TV shows they watch. If you just came to make grandstanding pronouncements on behalf of all fandom, you may be more satisfied elsewhere. If you're here to communicate -- which includes listening -- then get comfortable. Just be aware: there are longtime committed fans who take Trek seriously and actually like the new shows. I'm one of them.
"I'm one of those people for which Star Trek has always been more than just some TV show I liked to watch, there have been things about it that had and have meaning to me.
If anyone thinks that silly, then I guess that's the natural filter."
Welcome to TrekBBS. By definition, if someone is participating here, Star Trek is more than just some TV show for them, because most people don't hang out in forums dedicated to TV shows they watch. If you just came to make grandstanding pronouncements on behalf of all fandom, you may be more satisfied elsewhere. If you're here to communicate -- which includes listening -- then get comfortable. Just be aware: there are longtime committed fans who take Trek seriously and actually like the new shows. I'm one of them.
There was some handwringing involved.
And shirt-ripping.
I recently read an article on Inverse in which Akiva Goldsman kind of admits how sloppy the writing has been in modern Trek incarnations. This has been my main source of dissatisfaction with Discovery and Picard. The visual inconsistencies and Kelvinization of the series would be tolerable if the series followed some kind of reasonable narrative flow (or, in keeping with tradition, general episodic coherence). Instead, they seem to be flashy facades built to weakly support a confounding hodge-podge of social line-towing and postmodern deconstructionism.
The flight of Discovery into the future was a positive sign, despite the devastatingly uninspired and sloppy storyline (lawless post-apocalypse, how shocking!). The smoke signals around Strange New Worlds and Prodigy sound at least somewhat encouraging. But I don't think they're going to start making Star Trek for people like me again. After all, why should they?
The flight of Discovery into the future was a positive sign, despite the devastatingly uninspired and sloppy storyline (lawless post-apocalypse, how shocking!). The smoke signals around Strange New Worlds and Prodigy sound at least somewhat encouraging. But I don't think they're going to start making Star Trek for people like me again. After all, why should they?
TOS is my favorite show in the history of television.
But, I don't want "more TOS." I have TOS already, which will never be topped. And then we have all of TNG and VOY and (in some respects) "ENT" which all follow that same format. We also have knock-off/homages like The Orville which further ape the concept directly.
I much prefer the series in the franchise that take the format into a different and unique direction and challenge my own notions of "what Star Trek is"... (DS9, DSC, PIC, certain elements of ENT).
I LOVE the cast of SNW....but I am hoping it's different enough from the core franchise for me to care.
What do you want from Trek?
What would your ideal Trek show look like?
Without pretending that they were perfect or timeless, I think that the core ideals Gene R. wanted to explore in his original concept for Star Trek are still worth exploring. Namely:
- Human society can get better, not worse, over time.
- Exploration and discovery are at least as interesting as conflict.
Exactly. I get tired of people saying "It needs to be more like Star Trek!" and shoving it to a TNG or TOS shaped box. I have those things. I had many iterations of those things. I don't want more of the same. But, I'm the odd one because I don't buy in to the concept of comfort food TV either. If it's a comfort food series then its already been produced and I just rewatch the old. I don't want the new to recreate the old.
Cool, but there’s 20 seasons in the franchise of that already. Plus two seasons of The Orville, which is the exact same premise.
I think it’s ok to challenge the fandom by trying some unique things. I’d rather have the flawed but entertaining constructs of PIC and DSC than just more episodes of the exact same format we’ve had 20 seasons of already and be bored to tears with it.
But hey, I’m also a big supporter of the fact that the Kurtzman era of Trek seems to want different shows to appeal to different tastes. So, I’m perfectly ok if I don’t get what I want. There’s plenty of Trek to go around.
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