Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek XI?

[Kegek]

Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek

Franklin said:
One thing Quinto, Pine, and Urban will have going for them is no one will expect the same chemistry that developed between and among Nimoy, Shatner, and Kelley.

Well, some chemistry will be expected, even if neither dramatic logic or expectations demand the level of chemistry of the old cast. I think the chemistry, the working of the character dynamic, will be one of the make-or-breaks of this movie.

 

[Franklin]

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Kegek said:

Franklin said:
One thing Quinto, Pine, and Urban will have going for them is no one will expect the same chemistry that developed between and among Nimoy, Shatner, and Kelley.

Well, some chemistry will be expected, even if neither dramatic logic or expectations demand the level of chemistry of the old cast. I think the chemistry, the working of the character dynamic, will be one of the make-or-breaks of this movie.

Oh, certainly.
I guess a better way I could've put it is no one will expect them to pick up where the original three left off.

Also, I guess a point I was trying to make is the "newness" of the relationships allows the chemistry to be different. But you're right, it still has to be good.
For example, I would like to see a lot more real antagonism early on in the relationship between Spock and McCoy. Maybe even real dislike and little respect at first.

 

[Kegek]

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Whatever works. Last time they recast the trio (as Archer, T'Pol and Trip), they tried antagonism with Archer and T'Pol and to be honest a lot of it felt forced. But if they can get an undercurrent of hostility and latch on to it, all the better.

 

[PiperMaru22]

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I love TOS. I love Nimoy, Shatner, and Kelly, and for me they're the only ones I'll ever really accept in those iconic roles. That being said though, I'm not going to let a recast keep me from seeing and potentially enjoying Trek XI. If the plot is entertaining and if the actors can pull it off (I'm most worried about Christ Pine for some reason), than I see no reason for me to resent it at all.

I don't have high hopes for it, but at the same time I don't have these feelings of doom about it either. It really depends on how the whole thing turns out. I might have some idea of how I'll really feel about it when we get a trailer and can get a taste of how things will be. So maybe I'll get excited or something by then.

 

[Brian]

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I hadn't really thought about it, but I just realized that I'm looking at this new film as a dramatization of "real" Star Trek events.

It's like William Shatner is Kirk, Leonard Nimoy is Spock, etc. We've seen some of their "real" adventures. Now we're going to see some dramatizations of their other adventures, with new actors in NV and Star Trek XI.

An analogy is how we have historical footage of John F. Kennedy as JFK. It doesn't mean we can't deal with seeing Bruce Greenwood playing JFK in Thirteen Days. Does that make sense?

 

[Kegek]

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brian said:
An analogy is how we have historical footage of John F. Kennedy as JFK. It doesn't mean we can't deal with seeing Bruce Greenwood playing JFK in Thirteen Days. Does that make sense?

Actually, it does. It's like how it's easier to see an actor play Julius Caesar rather than Richard Nixon, because we've seen Nixon in action. Many actors consciously ape the mannerisms of their character if he is a very well known figure, Forest Whittaker as Idi Amin Dada is an excellent recent example of this.

But in the end, Kennedy was a real person. Kirk is not. He's an archetype and a dramatic figure. See Denny Crane? That's not Kirk. Shatner, but not Kirk.

I want to see a remake of Kings Row where the actor who takes Ronald Reagan's place goes on to star in a Reagan biopic... that's all kinds of screwed up.

 

[euphorik]

i'm going to see the movie because of nimoy. for me, that's the only reason.

i'll be happy if the movie is successful and sparks an interest in trek in a younger audience, but i'm really not interested in watching these generic joe and jane sixpacks act like the real thing. there's an unfortunate tendency these days to believe that anything can be replicated, given enough hype and money. star trek - the original series - was magic. there's something absolutely unique and unrepeatable about what was created by those actors, those writers, those directors, those cameramen, & the time and place that the series was filmed. it can't be repeated.

as far as i am concerned, paramount would have been better off with the tiberius chase project. i have a lot more respect for a projects like the sequel series, which stood and/or fell on their own merits, or lack of them. i can't understand why so many people dissed ENT for being a prequel, while having such unqualified support for a totally unimaginative retread. i will see this movie for the nimoy involvement, but after that - assuming there's an after that - stop the franchise, here's where i get off.

 

[Holytomato]

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ENT was supposed to be a prequel- Birth of the Federation. But it was yet another TNG Lite.

ENT- TNG Lite
Star Trek XI- TOS prequel

:thumbsup:

 

[Brainsucker]

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I know that the new Kirk, Spock, and other will not able to copy everything that shown by the previous actors that we have known in TOS. But, maybe with this, TOS will become immortal, as everyone can play Kirk, Spock, and other with their own charm and way. The most important is that Startrek raising from a legendary series to a never ending adventure like James Bond, Batman, Superman, and etc.

 

[Plum]

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^^^
That's far too logical... are you sure yer on the right BBS? Cadets never post so intelligently here!

 

[Kegek]

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It's rationalism, Plum. Reasoned, rational discourse is becoming quite the latest 'KEWL-ness' among internet fans, replacing the beloved old days of the incoherent diatribes, veiled personal insults, and intense Manichean dualism of the good and evil aspects of a television franchise approached with all the reverence on a sacred ritual.

I miss thse days.

 

[Plum]

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^^^
What's going on *looks in mirror*... I've a goatee!?! We're in the Mirror Universe people!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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Kegek Kringle said:
It's rationalism, Plum. Reasoned, rational discourse is becoming quite the latest 'KEWL-ness' among internet fans, replacing the beloved old days of the incoherent diatribes, veiled personal insults, and intense Manichean dualism of the good and evil aspects of a television franchise...

No! The line must be drawn here - this far and no further!

 

[Supervisor 194]

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North Pole-aris said:

The only thing that Trek characters ever discover that makes any of the stories memorable is one another.

The most insightful thing the esteemed Mr. Bailey has ever said regarding Star Trek. Kudos, sir!