Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek XI?
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Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
I'm a huge fan who accepts the new, Pine-scented cast.
I'm a huge fan who accepts the new, Pine-scented cast.
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
Huge fan, I'll wait until I see the film in the theatre to make up my mind. I'm more worried it's going to be "dumbed-down for the masses." That's my biggest fear and that a far from successful film will kill ST for years.
If we have to have a prequel, I want it to be a great AND successful one so ST can go on. If it's garbage, it deserves to die.
I'm almost 48 and been there with TOS since day one, but not totally oppposed to a recast. I thought Daniel Craig was the best, most realistic Bond and the last Bond film the best by far. We could have a great ST film to enjoy: let's see what happens.
Huge fan, I'll wait until I see the film in the theatre to make up my mind. I'm more worried it's going to be "dumbed-down for the masses." That's my biggest fear and that a far from successful film will kill ST for years.
If we have to have a prequel, I want it to be a great AND successful one so ST can go on. If it's garbage, it deserves to die.
I'm almost 48 and been there with TOS since day one, but not totally oppposed to a recast. I thought Daniel Craig was the best, most realistic Bond and the last Bond film the best by far. We could have a great ST film to enjoy: let's see what happens.
DumbDumb2007
Commander
What would you say is the best episodes of the Original series ? I vote for the Enterprise Incident, Balance of Terror, Arena, The one with Morgan Woodward, William Windom, the Ultimate Computer and the ones where Kirk runs and jumps up and kicks the oponent in the chest. That must have been hard landing coming down.
Yeah, I think maybe you wandered into the wrong thread. Too much Romulan ale can do that to a guy.
1. HUGE fan of TOS. Fanatic about it since childhood.
2. Not super-thrilled about the recast for the new movie, but since two of the leads are now dead and the rest are too damn old to play in a TOS-era storyline all that can be done is recast the characters with new actors who bear a passing or strong resemblance.
2. Not super-thrilled about the recast for the new movie, but since two of the leads are now dead and the rest are too damn old to play in a TOS-era storyline all that can be done is recast the characters with new actors who bear a passing or strong resemblance.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
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huge fan, totally reject recasting.
Age 46, saw a few eps first-run, got hooked during syndication, pre-teen.
Trek for me has always been about the unique chemistry of the performers, at least as much as about the ideas or writing. In fact, writing for the chemistry is what makes me prefer Coon's era to the early GR-driven/John Black saving GR's ass stuff.
I think some of the dynamic between the characters changed in the films because of Shat's 'tude and Nimoy's as well, but the chemistry was still there, even though sometimes there was dialogue that worked against it.
Putting somebody else in Kirk's shirt doesn't work for me, no matter how artfully you rip it.
Oddly enough, I haven't had problems with James Bond being recast over the years (just the choices in casting), mainly because Bond isn't about chemistry with other actors (though the dynamic between Connery/Maxwell and Connery/BernardLee was incredible.) Connery was perfect, but as a reader of Fleming, I love Dalton's Bond, and based on TAILOR OF PANAMA, Brosnan could have been very good too, but they wrote shit for his Bondflicks. Then again, I'm in a minority there, as when I finally had to see CASINO ROYALE, I hated it as much for its stupidity in execution (the modern spy apparently kills to acquire cell phones, since spies are too stupid to memorize phone numbers) as for the expected and catastrophic calamity of casting Craig.
huge fan, totally reject recasting.
Age 46, saw a few eps first-run, got hooked during syndication, pre-teen.
Trek for me has always been about the unique chemistry of the performers, at least as much as about the ideas or writing. In fact, writing for the chemistry is what makes me prefer Coon's era to the early GR-driven/John Black saving GR's ass stuff.
I think some of the dynamic between the characters changed in the films because of Shat's 'tude and Nimoy's as well, but the chemistry was still there, even though sometimes there was dialogue that worked against it.
Putting somebody else in Kirk's shirt doesn't work for me, no matter how artfully you rip it.
Oddly enough, I haven't had problems with James Bond being recast over the years (just the choices in casting), mainly because Bond isn't about chemistry with other actors (though the dynamic between Connery/Maxwell and Connery/BernardLee was incredible.) Connery was perfect, but as a reader of Fleming, I love Dalton's Bond, and based on TAILOR OF PANAMA, Brosnan could have been very good too, but they wrote shit for his Bondflicks. Then again, I'm in a minority there, as when I finally had to see CASINO ROYALE, I hated it as much for its stupidity in execution (the modern spy apparently kills to acquire cell phones, since spies are too stupid to memorize phone numbers) as for the expected and catastrophic calamity of casting Craig.
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
I find it interesting that you, being another reader of the original Ian Flemming books, feel like I do, that Dalton was the closest to the Bond of the books. Bond was never supposed to be the super-suave, stand-out-as-a-male-model type. He was fit and attractive to women, sure, but he was never supposed to be PRETTY. He had gadgets, but they were reasonable, not "laserbeam wristwatches." And Bond was, never forget, an ASSASSIN. He wasn't supposed to be "fun" or "cute" or whatever. He's supposed to be DANGEROUS.
Dalton got that better than anyone before or since, IMHO. But he was also probably the least popular of the film Bonds with general audiences, it seems.
Actually, Craig also was able to reasonably pull off "dangerous," though not as well as Dalton did (Moore or Brosnan never managed that at all, in my eyes). Connery could play hardened, which worked... and he was also "fun enough" to hit with general audiences. Lazenby just made me think of a JC Penney Catalog model. But Dalton was the best match to the BOOK "Bond" I've seen.
Interesting to me that another literary Bond fan feels the same way.
Well, I didn't hate Craig... I just see him as the latest British agent to be assigned the code-name "James Bond" after the last one was killed in action. He's not the same character, not in any way, but it's set in the same universe... this is a conceit, I'll admit it, but it's the only way I can enjoy the Bond movies.
I find it interesting that you, being another reader of the original Ian Flemming books, feel like I do, that Dalton was the closest to the Bond of the books. Bond was never supposed to be the super-suave, stand-out-as-a-male-model type. He was fit and attractive to women, sure, but he was never supposed to be PRETTY. He had gadgets, but they were reasonable, not "laserbeam wristwatches." And Bond was, never forget, an ASSASSIN. He wasn't supposed to be "fun" or "cute" or whatever. He's supposed to be DANGEROUS.
Dalton got that better than anyone before or since, IMHO. But he was also probably the least popular of the film Bonds with general audiences, it seems.
Actually, Craig also was able to reasonably pull off "dangerous," though not as well as Dalton did (Moore or Brosnan never managed that at all, in my eyes). Connery could play hardened, which worked... and he was also "fun enough" to hit with general audiences. Lazenby just made me think of a JC Penney Catalog model. But Dalton was the best match to the BOOK "Bond" I've seen.
Interesting to me that another literary Bond fan feels the same way.
Huge fan, accept the idea.
As long as the original cast were a viable choice for movies, I was against a recast/reboot.
But a number of events have occurred which makes them no longer viable, IMO: the loss of Doohan and Kelley, the death of Kirk, and the graduation of even the youngest castmember into septuagenarian status.
I don't think the original actors can carry a film any longer. Supporting roles, sure. But nobody will believe them cavorting around as the bridge crew of a starship anymore.
So I believe the time has come for a recast. The only other option is to relegate Kirk and crew to print media forever.
As long as the original cast were a viable choice for movies, I was against a recast/reboot.
But a number of events have occurred which makes them no longer viable, IMO: the loss of Doohan and Kelley, the death of Kirk, and the graduation of even the youngest castmember into septuagenarian status.
I don't think the original actors can carry a film any longer. Supporting roles, sure. But nobody will believe them cavorting around as the bridge crew of a starship anymore.
So I believe the time has come for a recast. The only other option is to relegate Kirk and crew to print media forever.
Huge fan, accept the idea. I would have felt different a few years ago, but after ENT fizzled in the ratings, I think this is the only way for Star Trek (the franchise) to continue, and I'd rather have this than nothing. Now that it's actually happening, I'm really warming to the idea and looking forward to it, but I reserve the right to be disappointed if the final product doesn't meet my expectations.
OT: trevanian and Cary L. Brown, I'm also a Bond Lit fan who's a Dalton fan. However, I had been a fan of the film series for quite a while before I read the books, and Dalton had been my Bond for some time before that (Licence to Kill was the first one I saw), so it may be that my preference for Dalton led me to enjoy Fleming's books.
OT: trevanian and Cary L. Brown, I'm also a Bond Lit fan who's a Dalton fan. However, I had been a fan of the film series for quite a while before I read the books, and Dalton had been my Bond for some time before that (Licence to Kill was the first one I saw), so it may be that my preference for Dalton led me to enjoy Fleming's books.
DumbDumb2007
Commander
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
a Permanent recast is not good. It is ok for one of two movies to tell the story of Kirk and Spock, etc in theeir early days and what formed them.
There should be a film made with Shatner, Nimoy and maybe one or two of th surviving coupled with some of teh cast of the 24th century progrmams. A Whole new story an film pulling out the stops with Kirk leading the 24th Century would work.
James Kirk played by Shatner would come off as a sort of Rooster Cogburn, Marshall in Outer Space .....
a Permanent recast is not good. It is ok for one of two movies to tell the story of Kirk and Spock, etc in theeir early days and what formed them.
There should be a film made with Shatner, Nimoy and maybe one or two of th surviving coupled with some of teh cast of the 24th century progrmams. A Whole new story an film pulling out the stops with Kirk leading the 24th Century would work.
James Kirk played by Shatner would come off as a sort of Rooster Cogburn, Marshall in Outer Space .....
DumbDumb2007
Commander
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
the new cast should tell one or two stories of Kirk and spock, etc. in the early days of their careers.
Shatner and Nimoy should be returned to lead status and an all new feature film should be made with them reprising their characters further in the future aboard an even newer Enterrise, more powerful and faster than the Enterprise-E. the stories that would be spawned would be endless as they each have the life and career experience to take on all threats, dangers and rewards of wha tis yet to come in the Star Trek Universe. The Enterprise-F under Kirk would be flawless under his command. An all new crew of 20 and 30 somethings under him would explore the galaxy and hanlde the Greatest dangers of the Delta, Gamma, Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Imagine the Kazon of the Delta Quadrant, the Borg, the Romulans, rogue Klingons, the Dominion, the Viidians who weren't cured of the Phage and other nasty races up against James Kirk who was long thought Dead.
the new cast should tell one or two stories of Kirk and spock, etc. in the early days of their careers.
Shatner and Nimoy should be returned to lead status and an all new feature film should be made with them reprising their characters further in the future aboard an even newer Enterrise, more powerful and faster than the Enterprise-E. the stories that would be spawned would be endless as they each have the life and career experience to take on all threats, dangers and rewards of wha tis yet to come in the Star Trek Universe. The Enterprise-F under Kirk would be flawless under his command. An all new crew of 20 and 30 somethings under him would explore the galaxy and hanlde the Greatest dangers of the Delta, Gamma, Alpha and Beta Quadrants.
Imagine the Kazon of the Delta Quadrant, the Borg, the Romulans, rogue Klingons, the Dominion, the Viidians who weren't cured of the Phage and other nasty races up against James Kirk who was long thought Dead.
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
Huge fan, and accept the idea. I would even go further by saying that I welcome the idea. A new team and hopefully a new approach at telling stories cannot be bad for Star Trek. Should I remind you that Star Trek died in 2005. But hey, we still got a heartbeat.
Huge fan, and accept the idea. I would even go further by saying that I welcome the idea. A new team and hopefully a new approach at telling stories cannot be bad for Star Trek. Should I remind you that Star Trek died in 2005. But hey, we still got a heartbeat.
DumbDumb2007
Commander
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
The recasted stories with younger actors should be told with the intention of using them as story material for a Feature Film / Miniseries on tv made involving both Nimoy and Shatner reprising their roles as they lean and all new crew into space aboard an even newer Starhip Enterprise.
The recasted stories with younger actors should be told with the intention of using them as story material for a Feature Film / Miniseries on tv made involving both Nimoy and Shatner reprising their roles as they lean and all new crew into space aboard an even newer Starhip Enterprise.
DumbDumb2007
Commander
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Stories involving Kirk and Spock's early days should be told with the intention of returning the original actors in their respective roles one day in a movie or Miniseries . That way the older Kirk adn older Spock will be more interesting.
Stories involving Kirk and Spock's early days should be told with the intention of returning the original actors in their respective roles one day in a movie or Miniseries . That way the older Kirk adn older Spock will be more interesting.
DumbDumb2007
Commander
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
Nimoy and Shatner should get one more feature film done with them in it as leads.
Nimoy and Shatner should get one more feature film done with them in it as leads.
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^ DumbDumb2007, please do not do any more triple posting. You could easily have combined those three posts into one. Same with the two posts in a row you did just before Mutenroshi.
Next time it will be a warning for spamming.
Thanks.
^ DumbDumb2007, please do not do any more triple posting. You could easily have combined those three posts into one. Same with the two posts in a row you did just before Mutenroshi.
Next time it will be a warning for spamming.
Thanks.
Re: Is Everyone Cool with the Idea of a Recast for Star Trek
So a few fans could see it and make as much money as Nemesis?
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