Is Enterprise the most US-centric Trek series?
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Could have simply been makeup to make her look non-human. Like how Nimoy wore greenish makeup because of Spock's green blood.
TPTB were not much interested at first in actually making T'Pol look Vulcan (those eyebrows in S1-2), but Blalock finally got that fixed in S3.
TPTB were not much interested at first in actually making T'Pol look Vulcan (those eyebrows in S1-2), but Blalock finally got that fixed in S3.
The one with the tattoo, correct? A while ago, I caught bits and pieces of that flick (running in the background) while tending to another task. Maybe Jolene Blalock - like Anthony Quinn and Cliff Curtis - is one of those actors able to pull off characters of varying ethnicities.
... no. She's really not. She is very clearly white, sorry.
'Asia' is not one big bloc or target. And where are the nuclear weapons pointed? Do you know? Does anyone? The US is tight lipped, but we can assume it's targeting military and political bases in Russia and Iran and China, not just 'every big city'. The last list exposed from the US did have targets that seemed to be little villages, but there's a whole politick behind that (just producing targets to fill up lists, push for more development/budget, et al)
And China doesn't? China has been preparing for a nuclear war since the 60s. An entire aspect of the population boom was to ensure they would have enough dispersed, trained and indoctrinated labor and hands to shrug off a nuclear exchange. They also have nukes pointed the other way, in enough quantity and with enough delivery systems that some of them will get through. One of the biggest PRC projects is their great underground tunnel system criss-crossing most of Eastern China that'll put the vaults of Fallout to shame.
No, it is not. America has rapidly lost its edge in regard to space since 2011, if not 2003. China has nearly everything America does at this moment, from a X-37 analogue to heavy manned lifters, a station of its own, numerous 'civilian' agencies working on reusables, they have lunar plans and murmurs of Martian plans right behind the USA. America has no lead of note at this time. The SLS is a frankenstein, it is chained to private interests for seats, and other than a unmanned test craft has nothing special of note, a test craft, again, that the Chinese also roughly have. Whatever America can do or does do, the Chinese are right behind.
Now, in regards to Star Trek, what would help hash this out, even if the result is pro-western, is for them to actually hash out A) who was fighting who in WW3, who was the Eastern Coalition? We assume the PRC, but it could be the USSR and allies, or even India or Iran with allies. Its members are never named, possibly for ambiguity. From then, they should actually look into what nuclear warfare does and target and see what would actually be lost in an exchange, and then C) hash out what Earth did to actually crawl out of the post-atomic horror.
If it's 'Oh, the Vulcans helped the US-West-NATO alliance take over and pacify the wastes with UE/NUN/whatever', fine, but that still barely excuses why the rest of the world is so silent. Nuclear wars don't work that way, we're not screeching Saganites, because we know society survived the war, but someone came out on top. And yes, the details point to the US - mostly in the middle and Northeast- surviving better off, but it does not mean 'Asia' was wiped off the map, nor should it.
WW3 only killed 600,000,000, and we're going to have to assume this includes deaths in the not!NATO and whatever ECON was. By 2050 we should have 8,500,000,000 to 9,000,000,000 people. That still leaves 7.9-8.4 billion people, and wouldn't even cut China or India by half if it was wholly their losses. Now, post-war chaos, famine, disease; that could kill billions, sure, but even that would still leave hundreds of millions in the bigger nations. Something doesn't add up.
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Well that would be quite the trick, since the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics was dissolved over thirty-one years ago.
But yeah, we have no idea what the Eastern Coalition is. For all we know, it could be an alliance of east coast former states of the U.S. in a conflict with western states like Montana.
Well, "Strange New Worlds" changed that; now it's been established that World War III killed a third of the planet's population, so we're talking a minimum of two billion people.
Beta canon has the ECON being made up of China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Vietnam, & Singapore. And it was fighting the NUN, made up of the US and the EU. And postwar, amid terror groups and rogue states, the US collapsed and was divided up into fiefdoms, one of which was controlled by Colonel Green of TOS and ENT infamy – who commanded a NUN brigade, ran for president in the 2052 elections and lost months before the nuclear exchange. And a year after the exchange, ignored the orders of the POTUS to stand down and proceeded to cull millions of people. Also, the war continues on for another couple of days after the exchange, with the ECON invading Canada en route to the US, and the NUN taking positions in the Bay of Bengal. And there was fighting in Antarctica in the months preceding the exchange, over oil.
Does it make any sense? IDK, since there is also the terror group Easter Rebellion (which hate 21st century living and is inspired by both the IRA and the communist terror group Red Brigades) based in Eastern Europe that dissolves in 2045. There is a pseudo-religious terror group called the Alliance for the Twelfth of November that’s also around in 2045. There is a Muslim Bloc (an alliance of democratic states) that is one of the hardest hit states in the exchange by the NUN, despite being non-aligned with either side. The Pacific nations ally themselves with the ECON. There is a pacifistic movement called the Dove Society operating in the 21st century, starting in 2045, that supposed to be around right up to the founding of the Coalition of Planets. Something called the Mind Control Revolt occurs in the mid-2040s over fear of behaviour-control implants. And its suggested that in the post-atomic horror circa 2060s-2070s, Britain was under a fascist government and were allies with Colonel Green’s movement in the US; Colonel Green is killed a few years after the Phoenix launch by Flint - who is living under an assumed name on Earth - with weapons grade ebola, which is launched from an orbital platform.
Even the leader and founder of the ECON is spelled four different ways (Lee Kuan, Le Kuan, Li-K’hwon, Li Quan) in beta canon, with the latter spelling also having him born in the Western US. Meaning an American both founded and was in charge of the ECON right up to the destruction of his palace in the exchange.
Then there is the Ferris Dominion/American Empire (southern part of South America) lead by Ashaf Ferris and Maltuvisland (Pacific Islands, Australia, & New Zealand) led by Bernard Maltuvis, both of them Augments in the 1990s Eugenics Wars. If the Eugenics Wars is getting retconned to the 21st century, I have no idea if these factions and their leaders would also be retconned to existing in the 21st century. If it was, presumably they'd be allies of the ECON.
There is no such thing as "beta canon" in the context of Star Trek. In Star Trek, there is the canon, and there are media tie-in works that are all of them non-canonical. They are certainly worth considering as possibilities, and you may personally accept them into your "headcanon" -- I have been an avid fan of Star Trek novels since I was a kid and adored the interconnected continuity of the ST novels published from about 2001 to 2021 which has retroactively been named the "First Splinter Timeline" -- but they are all equally non-canonical.
That was a long-winded way to say “that did not fit the narrative I want.”
When you could have looked at it and said “maybe the only ones that launched nukes were the Augment led factions, and at America & Europe. Maybe the only genocides that happened were in North America and Europe post war, and because the world had fallen apart. Maybe the NUN were strongly opposed to the ECON, the Muslim Bloc, and other factions for not being against genetic engineering enough, were further justified when a nuclear strike against them occurred, and the successive United Earth government that rose from the ashes of the NUN continued of the NUN viewpoint and just block them from participating in United Earth Starfleet. Which would explain why United Earth Starfleet was so American in culture. Toss out genocide of Asia at the hands of NUN/US/EU/etc, and toss out ECON nuking NUN/US/EU/etc.”
That didn’t seem so hard.
No, it's just a statement of fact. I don't have any particular objection to the scenario you posited. It's just important to remember that none of it is canonical or in any way binding on either future tie-in works or on future episodes or films.
