Is Enterprise part of your personal canon?
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And everyone has to accept every aspect of this FICTION which "is all out there" in their own private thoughts? Are you freaking kidding me?
Hilarious!I have this fantasy world in my mind that I enjoy as a hobby. It includes some (but not all) elements of the pure fiction presented by Paramount in the form of live-action television episodes and movies of the Star Trek universe.
You have a fantasy world in your mind that you enjoy as a hobby which includes all elements of the pure fiction presented by Paramount in the form of live-action television episodes and movies of the Star Trek universe.
You're cool but I'm petty and immature?
I'm no psyche professional but that sounds like utter lunacy.
Is ENT part of all that is live-action on-screen Trek? Yes. Is it part of the Star Trek universe I daydream about in my imaginings? Not most of it.
You petty and immature dreamer, you!
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Frankly, I think I'd rather discuss religious canon than Star Trek canon. Religious canon is less polarizing.
Survivors from Wolf 359 being assimiliated and taken back to the Delta Quadrant ? Funny, I only remember seeing one ship and I'm pretty sure Data blew that up.
Tuvok's age changing randomly ?
The Yridians being thought to be extinct ?
They might ignore continuity, but canon? Dont think so. Everything they write becomes part of the canon, even if it contradicts what some other guy wrote. Classic example: Jame R. Kirk and James T. Kirk are both canon, but only James T. Kirk is part of continuity.The writers ignore canon whenever it suits them. Why shouldn't the fans?
Is ENT part of all that is live-action on-screen Trek? Yes. Is it part of the Star Trek universe I daydream about in my imaginings? Not most of it.
First contact with the Borg
Voyager's internal continuity was pretty bad, and ENT's continuity problems were no worse than in the other series.
In case anyone wonders (as I did): the episode is "Unity".
And "Infinite Regress" where it is clearly stated that Seven of Nine personally assimilated a Starfleet officer.
Here's my take on the whole "Borgs who were assimiliated at Wolf 359" deal....
Star Trek: First Contact clearly illustrates that Borg cubes (at least some of them) are equipped with smaller vessels (the Borg Sphere). Since there is no canon evidence to contradict it, it appears reasonable that the Cube at Wolf 359 could also have a Sphere onboard.
If that is the case, the Battle could have taken place, then the Sphere could have seperated from the Cube. At that point, the Cube continued onto Earth and the Sphere returned to the Delta Quadrant. Starfleet personnel could have been assimilated at the Battle and taken to the Delta Quadrant by the Sphere.
In addition, this would mean that both the Borg Queen and Seven of Nine could have been present at the Battle and survived by returning to the Delta Quadrant before the Cube was destroyed. Also, since there are large periods of time during The Best of Both Worlds, Part IIhttp://memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Best_of_Both_Worlds,_Part_II_(episode) (both before and after the Battle) where the action focuses on the Enterprise, not the Cube, we can't be certain what the Borg are doing exactly. These events could have simply taken place offscreen.
VOY definitely had continuity problems, both with internal continuity and with the rest of the franchise. However, this isn't an issue I have a problem with, since (from my perspective) it's easily explainable with the help of other pieces of canon/continuity.
IMO, a FAR more serious break in the continuity occured in the Future's End two-parter. They travel back in time to 1996, which was when the Eugenics Wars were being fought around the globe (TOS: Space Seed and TWOK). Yet, the United States seems completely unaffected by the wars and there's not even a mention of them in the episodes themselves!
^I can explain that away - Starling's "inventions" caused a far more rapid development of computer technology than should have taken place. As a result, the best minds involved in the eugenics projects that created Khan and the like went in to computer science instead. No supermen, no Khan, no Eugenics War.
But that kind of explanation, as well as your explanation about the Borg ship illustrates my point. We fans are inventing ways to fix the obvious mistakes the writers made. We shouldn't have to do that.
But that kind of explanation, as well as your explanation about the Borg ship illustrates my point. We fans are inventing ways to fix the obvious mistakes the writers made. We shouldn't have to do that.
^ I agree, we shouldn't have to. Almost all continuity errors, even massive ones, can usually be eliminated with a single line of dialogue added on by watchful production staff.
For example, Seven could have added that she was at Wolf 359 helping the Queen oversee the battle and that the two returned to the Delta Quadrant before the Cube proceeded on to Earth.
Also, in Future's End, there's one point where Neelix watches newscasts from around the world to see how people responded to Voyager being seen in the atmosphere. He could have mentioned that a massive war was being fought in Africa and the Middle East, so they weren't paying attention to what happened in Los Angeles.
I just saying that most continuity errors can be explained away.
For example, Seven could have added that she was at Wolf 359 helping the Queen oversee the battle and that the two returned to the Delta Quadrant before the Cube proceeded on to Earth.
Also, in Future's End, there's one point where Neelix watches newscasts from around the world to see how people responded to Voyager being seen in the atmosphere. He could have mentioned that a massive war was being fought in Africa and the Middle East, so they weren't paying attention to what happened in Los Angeles.
I just saying that most continuity errors can be explained away.
^I know you are, but I'm saying we fans shouldn't have to come up with fanwank explanations.
We also shouldn't get so upset when someone says that T'Pol was the first Vulcan in Starfleet and not Spock or that the Klingon homeworld isn't called Klinzhai or Kling. Why ? Because we as fans made those things up and the writers don't have to abide by what we say.
We also shouldn't get so upset when someone says that T'Pol was the first Vulcan in Starfleet and not Spock or that the Klingon homeworld isn't called Klinzhai or Kling. Why ? Because we as fans made those things up and the writers don't have to abide by what we say.
^ Exactly. That's what I don't get about all the hate directed at ENT. It violated fanon, not canon, and I have no problem with that.
Dark Frontier came instantly to my mind. It managed to retcon a number of things from first contact with the Borg, to technology and ship design, the number of crewmembers on the ship... Oh and apparently Janeway's commbadge twiddling, which she never does before or after.
In general, you never knew where you were with regards to number of crewmembers, shuttles or torpedoes on Voyager as it would miraculously top-up every now and then for no reason
To my knowledge, Enterprise didn't manage to make any continuity bloopers on such a large scale in one episode.
Apologies for digressing off the main topic tho...
And the fact that despite having only 140-150 crew members about 300 people are seen in Starfleet uniforms onboard the ship over the seven years, unless they all went in for cosmetic surgery on a regular basis I don't see that being easily dismissed, in-universe anyway.
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