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IS CBS All Access the best format to release a new Star Trek series?

Re: IS CBS All Access the best format to release a new Star Trek serie

Is All Access the best place to put new Trek?

My opinion, no. But here's why I think it's going there:

1. Building the service. CBS needs an online presence and they want to do it by subscription. I'm sure there's research that says there will be an immediate increase by X subscriptions, resulting in Y dollars. That makes the suits all warm and fuzzy.

2. Fans want TV Trek, Moonves says "no Star Trek on my network." Birds, meet Stone.

3. Speaking of stone, there's an old insurance industry training thing referencing how to get blood from one. Meaning, you can always get an existing customer to spend more money. Trek fans apparently are seen by CBS as having bottomless pockets.

4. And speaking of money, did I mention $$$? That's what this whole thing is about.

All Access Trek has the potential to make everybody happy. Fans get a new series, CBS gets more dollars to play with, and Moonves gets to keeps it off of his "Tiffany" network.

I won't be subscribing, but then again I don't go to Starbucks or McDonald's either. :P
 
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... but are there enough people out there like you and I who will watch Star Trek no matter what to make the service profitable? And, suppose the show turns out mediocre. First few episodes? Okay, I'll give it more time. Ten episodes in and it's still mediocre, would you really keep paying for it?
That's the gamble they're taking, I guess. But the latest STAR TREK movies will probably shape the nature of the next series and I have absolutely no idea what CBS' plans are for the show's format. It may even experiment with audiences getting to vote what happens in the next episode. But as to whether there are enough hard core fans to keep the show profitable, I would say no. At the same time, I'm already convinced of its broader appeal. What that may mean in terms of the quality of storylines, who knows? I just expect it to have the same sensibilities as the Abrams movies, in terms of the look and pacing and attitude.
 
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it may be by expanding their own digital footprint, it might be through acquisition, but make no mistake no broadcaster is just going to set back and not try and keep their business up and thriving.
It probably won't be through acquisition, because there's a core problem with acquisition (and as an aside, it's the same problem that is the reason we probably won't see a Half-Life 3 out of Steam-owning Valve any time soon): Right now, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, and Apple are all relatively equal prospects for content providers. Just as soon as Netflix gets acquired and becomes Netflix-an-NBC-company or whatever, that goes out the window, and the other content providers begin pulling their stuff and going elsewhere. CBS All-Access is definitely going to have this problem, and CBS might be the only one of the networks with enough strongly sought-after content to make it work - but I wouldn't count on it. I think Paul Weaver below is exactly right - and that the merger will take the form of at least two and possibly several of the networks either creating a new streaming service or going in on purchasing one of the current major streaming providers together.
I predict we'll see some mergers in the the US TV networks in the next decade. There will still be 4 or 5 large content creators, but two of them will be Netflix and Amazon, and don't forget international providers competing for screentime (https://store.bbc.com/ for instance)
 
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Fans want TV Trek, Moonves says "no Star Trek on my network." Birds, meet Stone.
Moonves would have a new Trek series on CBS in a heartbeat if it was guaranteed to be profitable. As it is, Trek tends to be too expensive and too small audience for broadcast television. Trek tends to be better as something that exists outside of the regular primetime TV format (which worked for TOS when it went into syndicated reruns following its cancellation). The new Trek series may do for CBS All Access what TNG did for first-run syndication in the late '80s.
 
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Fans want TV Trek, Moonves says "no Star Trek on my network." Birds, meet Stone.
Moonves would have a new Trek series on CBS in a heartbeat if it was guaranteed to be profitable. As it is, Trek tends to be too expensive and too small audience for broadcast television. Trek tends to be better as something that exists outside of the regular primetime TV format (which worked for TOS when it went into syndicated reruns following its cancellation). The new Trek series may do for CBS All Access what TNG did for first-run syndication in the late '80s.

Moonves is on record saying he's not interested in putting Trek on CBS. Profit may be one reason. It may be the big reason. It may be the only reason (but I doubt it). That aside, what I said in the quote above stands. Putting Trek on CBSAA is killing two birds with one stone.
 
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No. Especially now that we know it's a subscription model that also includes adverts. What a con.
 
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CBSAA is not right for giving Star Trek the largest audience. However, CBSAA may be right for bringing the most revenue back to CBS. If you measure a show based on revenue instead of viewers, then CBSAA could be the right choice. At the end of the day, that's all CBS cares about. If they're launching on CBSAA, I'm assuming they've run the numbers and decided it's the right decision for CBS's bottom line. If Star Trek helps CBS's bottom line, then it will be judged a success. CBS is not bringing back Star Trek so that it fails. Therefore I'm going to assume they've run the numbers and decided this is the best bet.
 
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Netflix vs. Hulu vs. Amazon vs. CBS All Access debate aside...

I'd be more excited for this if the platform just worked better with streaming devices. It's got a pretty thin buy in from most providers. I have Apple TV and am a cable cutter going on 6 years now. I subscribed for CBS All Access so I could watch NCIS, CSI, Criminal Minds, etc. Apple TV has dumped my connection out a few times now and I have to resync the device with iTunes to make it work each time. I don't think faithful ST fans will put up for this very long.

It begs the question... What is CBS All Access doing to insure that their service is getting support from the platforms that are providing an entry point to it?
 
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It's on Roku and online. What else would you like?
 
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It's not so much the number of devices I take issue with. It's the support which each device gives to support the CBS app and not everyone has a home theater PC like I do.

I feel like I should drop this piece of the commentary before it gets off topic. The point I'm trying to make is that CBS All Access ain't as tried and true as Hulu, Netflix, etc. I feel like the crappy app will hurt the show's chances in the long run way more than not being a traditional OTA broadcast show.
 
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I'm really hoping they're using the new series as an opportunity to launch a massively updated version of the app. Any sign that something like that might happen?
 
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I doubt TPTB would point everyone to a crappy app. Right now they're not really selling it.
 
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I currently subscribe to CBS All Access and have done so for about 6 months now. I thought I would address some of the items mentioned in dub's post.

I also want to mention that it's funny how much the app has been mentioned in this thread...I think I have used the app about one time since I got the service. Not as many videos are available on the app, making it pretty much useless to me. For example I wanted to watch an episode of The Late Show with Colbert and it wasn't available on the app, had to use my desktop, same with past seasons of classic shows, so I gave up and just use my PC to stream any CBS content.

I'd offer a live stream of the network. Figure out some way to sell commercials during the live stream for some ad revenue (separate from broadcast).

You can live stream the network based on your location to get your local affiliate, and although they don't mention this, with a little tweaking of your browser's location settings you can watch other affiliates as well. It includes all of the same commercials as if you were watching it live.

Have two sections for each new show: one section with the episodes and another section with interviews, behind-the-scenes clips, and the sort of things you'd find on a bluray extras section. But for new shows, I'd also regularly offer new preview clips/interviews between seasons to keep up the hype.

They are doing this, at least for certain shows. I am into Big Brother and CBS All Access offers exclusive content for that, including access to the 24/7 live feeds and special interviews/content. I'm not sure how common it is for other shows. I seem to remember some exclusive Survivor content as well.

Do some entertainment-style interviews of actors/directors/writers or whoever you can get (LIVE whenever possible) to stream following the debut of as many new episodes as possible.

They do this for Big Brother, but that's a bit of a unique situation. I agree it would be interesting to see it for other types of shows as well. For example a "red carpet premiere" type event for a season premiere of a show, where the actors/writers/creators talk about it.

Have a way to subscribe to your favorite shows (of course), but also have a section of "newest clips" specific to your subscription. So, if NCIS: New Orleans was one of my subscriptions, any new episode or interview clip/behind the scenes would show up in that "newest clips" section.

They do have this, it is called My CBS. You go through the whole list of shows, subscribe to the ones you want, and then when you go to the My CBS page you see a section for each of them with the most recent videos listed.

Do a CNN Headline News version of CBS News and roll that into the CBS app as an exclusive.

This would be nice. So far I can watch clips/episodes of CBS This Morning and CBS Evening News.

Offer as many full past series on streaming as the library allows. Start producing/offering interviews/behind-the-scenes clips related to those old shows.

They could add more, but I do feel like they have a substantial list of past shows to watch so far. For example I have access to all of I Love Lucy, Twin Peaks, Medium, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Melrose Place, Taxi, The Twilight Zone, Wings, Perry Mason, The Odd Couple, The Brady Bunch, Cheers, Family Ties, Frasier, etc. There are several others, including all of the Star Treks.

Do the same for any old movies owned by CBS.

They do have a section called Movies and Specials, but from what I can tell it doesn't contain any actual movies. It is mostly things like The Grammy's, The Tony's, Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, etc.

Try to get partnerships with some cable networks/film studios to widen the variety even further.

This would be great!!

Do some interactive sort of things, like games and contests. Have sponsored video/photo contests related to some of the shows and allow people to upload media (viewable after being cleared by CBS) to be judged by viewers with "likes," with giveaway incentives.

You know, I don't doubt something like this could come along. CBS has experimented with stuff like this in the past. Several years ago I remember playing a Survivor game on the CBS website, which actually had a quite interesting and complicated points system in which teams work together to predict events that will occur in the next episode. And at one point (not sure if they still do this) CBS had a points system that would accrue points every time you watched a video, liked their content, or did other actions on their website. It seems like they are at least willing to try new things in this arena.

Offer a free version of the channel that has less offerings, perhaps remains a season behind on new shows, things like that.

They sort of do this already...if you go to their site as a free user, you usually have access to something like the most recent 3-5 episodes of a show. But if I log in to my account I have access to the entire series.


But the see the problem is CBS doesn't have the same variety of content that Netflix has, for example. Maybe if this service had all the Paramount movies, all the Showtime shows and all the CBS shows, it might be competitive. Does CBS all access even have movies? Also how is the CBS library on its own interesting enough to sustain a site like this long term? Do people really want to watch old episodes of Survivor? Something like Netflix has mainstream fare, edgy cable shows, children's programs and movies. CBS needs a lot more then just it's library and a few exclusives to make this work long term.

As I mentioned above it doesn't seem to have any movies. I can say that I'm at least one person who wants to watch old episodes of Survivor. :lol: I originally subscribed to get the Big Brother 24/7 live feeds, but have stuck with it since then to catch up on old seasons of Amazing Race and Survivor. My antenna reception of CBS is also a bit sketchy in my location, so having the live streaming is a great bonus. I stream it directly to my TV using a Chromecast, and it looks really great.

I do think that they should really consider adding movies to the service. At this point I feel it is just about worth it at $6, but I could see a point at which I would catch up on the older shows I am interested in and then cancel. I'm guessing they've thought about this and it's why they are moving into creating their own content for the streaming service.
 
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Thank you so much, Spot's Meow, for those details! :techman:
 
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But the see the problem is CBS doesn't have the same variety of content that Netflix has, for example.

I'll pay $6/month just to watch only Star Trek. I spent close to that just now at Starbucks so it's not going to kill me to pay for this service. If, at some point, the new series doesn't interest me, I'll cancel the subscription.

I don't see why people complain about a $6/month access charge when they blow more than that going to McDonald's one time.
This. I pay Netflix $9 a month, and primarily watch Star Trek and My Little Pony (don't judge me). I consider it worth it.

EDIT: Also, having read Spots Meow's very detailed post (thank you!), I signed up for a free week of CBS All Access. I have a Roku 1 and am watching an episode of Star Trek TNG right now. It's not HD, even though it looks like it's supposed to be HD, which is surprising, considering Hulu, Amazon and Netflix all offer HD viewing of those episodes.

They do have a significant number of classic shows I enjoy (Cheers, Taxi, Brady Bunch... don't judge me), but for many shows it's not whole seasons or series. I'm hoping they'll remedy that by the time Star Trek premieres. At this point, I can see someone spending $6 a month if they enjoy some of CBS' modern shows, and a few classics, but if you have Netflix, you already have over half of their available inventory.

So once the week is up, I'll likely let it lie fallow until later in the year, at which point I'll pick it up again. Still, it doesn't look bad, and on the Roku things seem pretty straightforward. I imagine some improvements will be made in time.
 
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but if you have Netflix, you already have over half of their available inventory.
This is my concern - that once they have this ramped up, they're going to try to tell Netflix to go play in traffic and pull their content.
 
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Just so no one here thinks I am a CBS employee try to sell their service, I did want to point out some negatives about it! One is the overlap with Netflix, as was already mentioned. If this was the only service on which I could get all of the past Treks I wouldn't mind paying, but I can already see those on Netflix. We'll see how long that lasts. I too have a feeling that much Netflix content may be pulled at some point in the near future.

I sort of already mentioned my other complaint - the app sucks. Much less is available. And you can't get around it by going to their website on your phone/tablet, because it recognizes you are on mobile and tells you to download the app to play the video (which then isn't available on the app...).

Ads. I really don't like it that despite paying for the service, you still see ads when watching videos. There is no way to skip/block them and it's the same ads over and over...it really gets annoying.

Coloratura said:
I have a Roku 1 and am watching an episode of Star Trek TNG right now. It's not HD, even though it looks like it's supposed to be HD, which is surprising, considering Hulu, Amazon and Netflix all offer HD viewing of those episodes.

I'll check this when I get home, using my Chromecast. I know that the live stream of the network comes through in HD pretty nicely. A lot of the episodes of older shows I've watched are in SD so I haven't really noticed one way or the other there. Though I did watch some recent episodes of Big Bang Theory and those were HD.


As for the original question about whether it's the best format to release a new Star Trek series, that is really hard to say. I feel like the service really has potential, and adding original content may help to improve it that much more. Also, I feel like the series will be able to last longer than it would on traditional broadcast. So, as someone mentioned upthread, it may be a win-win situation for the fans and for CBS. Still, it's annoying to have to pay for CBS' experiment.
 
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Fans want TV Trek, Moonves says "no Star Trek on my network." Birds, meet Stone.
Moonves would have a new Trek series on CBS in a heartbeat if it was guaranteed to be profitable. As it is, Trek tends to be too expensive and too small audience for broadcast television. Trek tends to be better as something that exists outside of the regular primetime TV format (which worked for TOS when it went into syndicated reruns following its cancellation). The new Trek series may do for CBS All Access what TNG did for first-run syndication in the late '80s.

Moonves is on record saying he's not interested in putting Trek on CBS. Profit may be one reason. It may be the big reason. It may be the only reason (but I doubt it). That aside, what I said in the quote above stands.
Could you provide a source for this, please? The only ones that have been saying something like this have been fans and people citing unnamed sources (i.e., usually other fans).

But one thing that has been true ever since Gene Roddenberry first shopped around TOS was that spaceship shows tend to be every expensive and difficult to produce, and that they tend to be more narrow audience than not (something that goes counter to the very concept of broadcasting). Every once in a while, someone takes a chance, of course, but broadcast networks tend to get more mileage out of anything that isn't a spaceship show. If you're a broadcast network head, you'd probably do best to avoid doing them for that reason alone.

The only reason we had TOS was because Lucille Ball took a gamble with it at Desilu. But TNG and DS9 wouldn't have happened if the original Paramount Television didn't have a stake in first-run syndication at the time. It's pretty much a certainty that VOY and ENT wouldn't have happened without the now defunct UPN. The new Trek series on CBS All Access seems to be simply repeating the established trend of new Trek series only being produced to fill a particular outlet.
 
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I don't see why people complain about a $6/month access charge when they blow more than that going to McDonald's one time.

try telling that to a low income family. They'll get basic cable, internet and maybe netflix if they're lucky. No way they're spending $ on CBS as well... and that is my biggest issue with Trek on CBS streaming. The message of Trek has always been inclusion. Now Trek has become an upper middle class show. CBS should be trying to build a larger Trek audience. Not shrink it and make it exclusive to the affluent.
 
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I don't see why people complain about a $6/month access charge when they blow more than that going to McDonald's one time.

try telling that to a low income family. They'll get basic cable, internet and maybe netflix if they're lucky. No way they're spending $ on CBS as well... and that is my biggest issue with Trek on CBS streaming. The message of Trek has always been inclusion. Now Trek has become an upper middle class show. CBS should be trying to build a larger Trek audience. Not shrink it and make it exclusive to the affluent.

If it's really that bad, then just wait until the end of the season, pay the $6, watch the entire season over the course of a month, then end your subscription. Repeat as desired. Surely $6 to $12 a year isn't a problem for the vast majority of people who want to watch Star Trek.
 
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