Is canon going to be more like in Star Wars in the Abramverse?
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Orci supervised the Countdown comics, too, and then when he was asked about contradictions between the film and the comics, he said they are not canon.
This is how canon has always worked in Trek: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BroadStrokes
That is how the comics tie-in despite their contradictions. That's how the various contradictory episodes and movies over the decades do too. Same story, different details.
That is how the comics tie-in despite their contradictions. That's how the various contradictory episodes and movies over the decades do too. Same story, different details.
Oh I hope not. Star Wars canon is confusing as it is.
Isn't star wars canon basically everything happened unless Lucas says it didn't?
This. The worst thing Lucas ever allowed for the whole "All things are canon" approach.
Just make sure everything has continuity within their particular product lines ex: books staying in continuity with each other) and let it be at that.
I thought it was simply a case that the movies always took precedence over everything else. It had to fit the movies, not the other way round.
I misspoke when I said Lucas, I meant LFL Inc., or even Lucas allowing LFL Inc., to set such a rule, Lucas himself has never counted the EU as being canon. His approach has always been the same as Trek: Movies/TV is the real canon, everything is its own world. Ideally, the movies and shows trump the EU. Problem is to many fans get their panties in a twist when ever the movies and shows contradict the EU and feel Lucas and the production teams should bow to every little bit of contradictory trivia in the books, games, and comics.
I really, really, hope nuTrek doesn't go this route. I always did dislike having to buy a comic or a novel to get the "whole story" of a movie (Countdown and Nero I'm looking at you, you too Episode III). Great marketing ploy though, gotta give 'em that.
Especially when buying the comic is the only way for the plot of said film to actually make any sense what-so-ever.
To canon i say the same thing i always have: Does it actually matter?
Unless you are the one making the films, tv shows, whatever, does it really make any difference to you the reader if 'Star Trek: Kirk buys a red lollipop' by I.P Freeli is canon or not?
Does a good book become a bad book if it's not 100% confirmed as having taken place in a fictional setting by the settings owner? Does a terrible book become a good one if it does?
For an actual example, LFL churned out episodes of 'The Clones Wars' that completely negated almost everything Karen Traviss had established in her 'Republic Commando' books about Mandalorians. I really enjoyed those novels. After seeing the new 'canon' established by 'The Clone Wars' did i suddenly realise i now hated those books? Of course not.
It doesn't matter to me unless said story challenges movie/show canon in an important way and affects the timeline, which it usually doesn't.
I disagree with this bit. I had no trouble whatsoever understanding the plot of STXI without any of the tie-in comic books.
Agreed totally. Even if a new Trek movie comes along and somehow negates the current (decade old) Star Trek novel continuity, it doesn't make a bit of difference to the quality of the books.
Heck, the last movie essentially rendered every Trek except Enterprise moot. How many fans now can't enjoy TOS or TNG?
I also understood the plot just fine without any study materials. As did millions of people who watched it and didn't ask for their money back.
Hmm. Maybe you didn't understand the plot as well as you think you did.
Hmm. Maybe you didn't understand the plot as well as you think you did.
Just to clarify my statement about the comic plot thing.
The plot of 'Star Trek' was completely understandable. But it was also nonsensical. Without the 'Countdown' comic bringing in the whole special nature of the Hobus star, the destruction of Romulus by a supernova doesn't make any sense.
Without 'Countdown', the Romulans are idiots not to notice the shockwave from a supernova headed their way, especially when its moving at sublight speeds and so they would have plenty of time to evacuate.
With 'Countdown' the technobabble is still nonsense, but at least it establishes it was a special supernova soallows disbelief to be suspended more easily.
If you can figure out a way to jibe Jango Fett not being a mandalorian, mandalorians being pacifists, Mandalore not being largely agrarian, the ruler of the world not being Mandalore, the change in origins for the Deathwatch to name just a few then you're more imaginative than me.
My point still stands though from a reader perspective its irrelevant. The books are still enjoyable, with or without being accepted as 'canon'. Just like the vast majority of Star Trek novels published by Pocket Books are fun, entertaining reads. That they are not canon is of no importance what-so-ever.
The plot of 'Star Trek' was completely understandable. But it was also nonsensical. Without the 'Countdown' comic bringing in the whole special nature of the Hobus star, the destruction of Romulus by a supernova doesn't make any sense.
Without 'Countdown', the Romulans are idiots not to notice the shockwave from a supernova headed their way, especially when its moving at sublight speeds and so they would have plenty of time to evacuate.
With 'Countdown' the technobabble is still nonsense, but at least it establishes it was a special supernova soallows disbelief to be suspended more easily.
If you can figure out a way to jibe Jango Fett not being a mandalorian, mandalorians being pacifists, Mandalore not being largely agrarian, the ruler of the world not being Mandalore, the change in origins for the Deathwatch to name just a few then you're more imaginative than me.
My point still stands though from a reader perspective its irrelevant. The books are still enjoyable, with or without being accepted as 'canon'. Just like the vast majority of Star Trek novels published by Pocket Books are fun, entertaining reads. That they are not canon is of no importance what-so-ever.
You mean reducing TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY and movies I - X to one of the infinite universes where "all possibilities that can happen, do happen, in alternate quantum realities" (along with the timelines where Worf married Troi, the one where everyone's evil and the one where bunnies rule the universe)? They put the whole timeline on a bus.
Hmm. Maybe you didn't understand the plot as well as you think you did.
Oooh, there's a Timeline where Bunnies rule the Universe? I wanna see that one. Hopefully they're Big evil BUnnies with really big sharp teeth and scary bright red eyes
I think it's fine when there is additional ancillary media available to add details, but, those details should be a bit of extra fun, not a requirement to properly enjoy the original source.
I think it's fine when there is additional ancillary media available to add details, but, those details should be a bit of extra fun, not a requirement to properly enjoy the original source.
Sorry non-nonsensical technobabble doesn't help to understand the plot. There is a macguffin that causes Spock and a bad guy to travel through time and the bad guy hates the good guys because that's what bad guys do. That's about the extent that the comics explained.
Also, I read the comics and when I saw the "Red Matter" I said to myself, this is so stupid I'm sure it's just for the comics, and then I saw the movie...
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