I grew up with the original six movies and TNG. I also enjoyed DS9 later, so Star Trek was never about one character or one set of characters to me.
I agree that cranking out one series after another was annoying and diluted Trek.
Is a modern-day big screen reboot of TNG inevitable?
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I agree that cranking out one series after another was annoying and diluted Trek.
You can tell stories in new ways using the original characters. One does not preclude the other.
I started watching in 1975, when Kirk and Spock were all we had. Though they made an impression on me like no other entertainment property has.
Which became problematic for the franchise, people got tired of them slapping a new name on a ship then doing the exact same things over and over, series to series. Even Deep Space Nine had the same basic structure as TOS/TNG. A commanding officer, XO, CMO, engineer, science officer and an outsider to examine the "human condition". They did stretch the format from time to time, but it always returned back to the basic structure.
But it did largely do away with the done to death 'planet of the week' thing...
And then they made Voyager.
This is starting to become a circular argument.
So basically, Star Trek should stop creating new characters because they'll always embody the same archetypes as Kirk and Spock, so they might as well only use Kirk and Spock, even if there's 20 versions of them running at the same time.
So basically, Star Trek should stop creating new characters because they'll always embody the same archetypes as Kirk and Spock, so they might as well only use Kirk and Spock, even if there's 20 versions of them running at the same time.
I don't think anyone is saying Star Trek shouldn't create new characters. Just that they should keep using the ones they have in different ways. Star Trek's problem isn't the characters or the setting. It's the way the stories are presented. That's what got stale.
Yet I see fans all the time saying they want more Kirk 'n' Spock movies where they battle the planet killer, Khan and Trelane at the same time(!), but new characters, settings and situations are boring and just "rehashing the same things over and over"
Fans are just fickle bastards.
Fans are just fickle bastards.
This is the absolute truth.Fans are just fickle bastards.
Not this fan. I've no interest in remakes of past episodes or films. I'm all for new characters, setting and situations, but that doesn't have to mean jumping ahead a century or switch to a different ship. More importantly the way stories in Star Trek are told has to evolve. Which is what I tried to illustrate in this post And what I hope Fuller is doing with Discovery.Yet I see fans all the time saying they want more Kirk 'n' Spock movies where they battle the planet killer, Khan and Trelane at the same time(!), but new characters, settings and situations are boring and just "rehashing the same things over and over"
Fans are just fickle bastards.
Other than the fact that you reduced Beverly Crusher in rank from Commander to Lt. Commander I love it!!!Why not use them all:
Deep Space Voyager the Next Generation
An epic multi-POV, arc based series in the mode of Game of Thrones.
Okay, probably too many characters for one film.
- Deep Space Nine- Formerly an orbital Cardassian ore processing station, the Bajoran Provisional Government has turned it over to Starfleet to serve as the base of operations for the defense and exploration of the Bajor Sector and beyond. In addition to Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia, there is a large civilian population on the station that includes Bajorans, Starfleet dependants and other foreign nationals.
- Commodore Benjamin Sisko- Starfleet Commander for the Bajoran Sector. Sisko is veteran of the Cardassian Wars. His wife, Jennifer and son, Jake live with him on DS9, but he has misgivings about them being so close to the Cardassian border.
- Lt. Commander Tuvok- Starfleet Intelligence. Tuvok oversees various on ongoing SI operations in the sector. Some of which might be above Sisko's "pay grade".
- Commander Katherine Pulaski- Chief Medical Officer. A veteran officer with strong opinions, she's often a thorn in the side of Sisko and his unofficial conscience. She's also fond of needling Tuvok and has a low opinion of "spies".
- Lt. .Commander Data- Chief Operations Officer. An android. Data is in charge of keeping the station running. Given its blend of Federation. Cardassian and Bajoran technology it is a task that keeps Data busy around the clock. Not needing sleep he is well suited for the task. As an android wishing to become more "human" Tuvok finds himfascinating.
- Colonel Kira Nerys- Bajoran Liaison Officer. Kira was a member of the Bajoran Resistance during the Cardassian Occupation. She is still wanted in the Cardassian Union for terrorism. She coordinates activities that involve Starfleet and the Bajoran Militia.
- Constable Odo- Chief of Law Enforcement for the station. A shapeshifter of unknown origin, Odo was raised on the station by Bajorans. He is strongly attached to the station and sees it as his only home. While nominally in charge of civilian law enforcement, Sisko likes to use Odo for Starfleet related operations as well.
- Quark- A Ferengi merchant who runs a casino on DS9's promenade. He is also heavily involved in various criminal activities in the sector. As such, he and Odo have an adversarial relationship.
- Garak- A Cardassian tailor who runs a shop on the promenade. He is the only Cardassian still on the station. His reasons for staying are currently a mystery. Though Tuvok certainly has a few ideas.
- Dukat - A Gul in the Cardassian military. Dukat is the former Prefect of Bajor and presided over the transition from the Cardassian Union to the Bajoran Provisional Government. Currently he is the military commander for the Cardassian territory adjacent to the Bajor Sector. He would very much like to be Prefect of Bajor again.
- The USS Enterprise- A Galaxy class vessel, the Enterprise is the newest and most advanced ship in Starfleet. It's primary mission is establishing diplomatic relations with the new worlds beyond Bajor. It's staff includes a large diplomatic team.
- Captain Jean-Luc Picard- The ship's Commanding Officer. Picard is a man weary of war. The prospect of commanding a mission of exploration and diplomacy has kept him Starfleet. He sees a new war on the horizon and is making every effort to change course.
- Lt. Commander Chakotay- The ship's Executive Officer. Chakotay's homeworld was on the frontlines of the Cardassian Wars and now lies in Cardassian territory. He's not happy being on a ship who's main objective is to "make nice" with the Cardassians.
- Ambassador Deanna Troi- The sector's Chief Diplomatic Officer, she divides her time between DS9 and the Enterprise. As a civilian, she's not always greeted with open arms by Starfleet. Her goals are often at odds with Commodore Sisko's, the sector's military commander. Picard is more open minded and she prefers the Enterprise to DS9
- Lt. B'Elanna Torres- The ship's Chief Engineering Officer. She served with Chakotay in the Cardassian Wars and shares his views on making peace with them. [/I]
- Lt. Commander Beverly Crusher - The ship's Chief Medical Officer. The widow of Jack Crusher, Picard's former XO and closest friend. Her son is in Starfleet and she worries about his future.
- Ensign Ro Laren- The ship's Flight Control Officer. Born in a Bajoran refugee camp she's never been to Bajor before this assignment. She's at odds with native born Bajorans, who see the refugees as cowards who chose to flee rather than fight
- The USS Defiant- A Defiant class light cruiser. Its primary mission is defense of the station and the Bajor system. It serves as the flagship for the commander of DS9.The Defiant is a warship, part of the legacy of the Cardassian Wars. It's crew is small and most are experienced combat officers.
- Commander William T. Riker- The Defiant's Commanding Officer. Riker comes across as a genial sort, quick with a joke and a twinkle in his eye. He's also known to have an eye for the ladies. In a combat situation he's all business, though. A clever commander with a trick or two up his sleeve.
- Lt. Commander Elizabeth Shelby- The ship's Executive Officer. She's all business, all the time and isn't afraid to speak her mind if she thinks Riker ( or anyone else) is wrong. She has high standards and if she had her way the crew would be drilling around the clock.
- Lt. Worf- The ship's tactical officer. On a ship the size of the Defiant, tactical includes flight control. He respects Riker and admires Shelby.
- EMH- Experimental Medical Hologram. A new technology currently being tested on the Defiant. It's inventor, Dr. Louis Zimmerman is on board overseeing the test. (or is he?)
- Lt. Ezri Tigan- Medical Officer. Tigan is Combat Field Medic and provides backup for the EMH. An unjoined Trill, who's not on the candidate list, she lives life to the fullest.
- Lt. Geordi La Forge- The ship's Chief Engineering Officer. Blinded in the Cardassian War, La Forge can interface with the ship's systems through his VISOR, a device that enables him to see. As such he feels and senses what the ship does. At times this seems to cut him off from his crewmates and he wonders if he is losing his humanity.
- Ensign Harry Kim- Operations Officer. A rookie right out of the academy he's in awe of these "heroes".
- The USS Voyager- An Intrepid class scout ship. It's primary mission is science and exploration. Most of its crew are in the Science division and the rest is comprised of young officers, some just out of the Academy. Because of this, the ship has been nicknamed "The School Bus". Voyager spends most of its time away from the Bajor Sector in unexplored territory.
- Commander Kathryn Janeway- The ship's Commanding Officer. Formerly in the Science Division, this is Janeway's first command. For her the thrill of the "hunt" is what drives her. She needs to know what's behind the next nebula and beyond the farthest star.
- Lt. Commander Jadzia Dax- The ship's Executive Officer and Chief Science Officer. A joined Trill, Dax can call upon decades of experience from her previous hosts. Which is at odds with her youthful appearance. A close friend of Sisko in her previous host, he still calls her "The Old Man". A name that followed her to Voyager.
- Chief Petty Officer Miles O'Brien- The ship's Chief Engineer. The real old man aboard the ship, he has a decade on most of the crew. A veteran of the Cardassian Wars, He's one of Janeway's trusted advisors and a father figure to the younger crewmen. (Just don't tell him that). His wife, Keiko, lives on DS9.
- Lt. Julian Bashir- The ship's Chief Medical Officer. Young, inexperienced and on his first deep space mission, Bashir is out of his element and tries to cover it up with bravado. O'Brien has taken him under his wing.
- Ensign Wesley Crusher- Operations Officer. A gifted young man, Crusher completed Starfleet Academy in record time. He's the youngest member of the crew and very aware of this As such he is over eager to prove himself. His mother is the CMO on the Enterprise.
- Lt. Tasha Yar- The Ship's Chief Security Officer. Growing up as an orphan on failed colony where every day was a fight for survival, Yar feels out of place on a ship full of scientists and overachievers.
- Lt. Tom Paris- Flight Control Officer. Paris is onboard the Voyager as a favor to Admiral Owen Paris, Janeway's former CO. Paris has been a disciplinary problem (and embarrassment to his father) in the past. Voyager is his "last chance".
She needs to earn it
No. It has to be more than re-hashing those adventures every generation for the big screen.
The big screen is not good enough for the franchise anymore. Star Trek should stay a small screen venture, moving forward with new crews/ships/adventures.
Forward, not rebooting. Any iteration.
Well, that's the franchise. Good dramatic concepts (not characters) are revisited again and again and again. Concepts are evergreen, not characters.
Good grief, that would be horrifying! Thank God I won't live to see 20 iterations of that!
Characters are ever green too. That's why so many have lasted decades and millennia.
Again you can move forward without jumping to a new ship or new crew. Using the established characters isn't rehashing or rebooting.
Apparently, characters are just as evergreen as concepts. Just watched a movie this weekend with a character created in the late-1930's.
The Saint? The Falcon? The Green Hornet?
Hell, I'm currently writing a novel about Mother Goose and Humpty Dumpty . ...
Batman, in Suicide Squad.
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