Iron Lady - what were they thinking?

[Bob The Skutter]

I don't for one second imagine that everything she did is defensible, and I'm still not sure if I actually like her, but I respect her as a politician. Andrew Marr makes an interesting point by stressing that she genuinely did seem to believe that increasing home ownership/share ownership/borrowing for everyone would improve their lives, she just rather naively thought they'd be sensible about it.

While I'm not quite of the "I'd take her over Blair" school of thought, but that is where Maggie can get respect from me. She actually believed in what she was doing, her ideology was her ideology, she didn't do it to win votes, she didn't do it to be liked or to get on the news, she did it because she believed it. You can't say that of too many politicians nowadays.

 

[Starkers]

As she herself said, back in her day people became politicians to do something, now they do it to be someone.

 

[Ghost Bones]

Suddenly MUCH is explained.

Do elaborate, won't you?

No no, thanks for the offer, but it doesn't need elaboration. I'll leave it there.

It very much does. If you're going to make judgements about me personally, you should qualify them.

 

[cultcross]

Do elaborate, won't you?

No no, thanks for the offer, but it doesn't need elaboration. I'll leave it there.

It very much does. If you're going to make judgements about me personally, you should qualify them.

Or you can both drop it right now. Australis, leave the snide remarks out of TV/Media please.

 

[Disruptor]

As she herself said, back in her day people became politicians to do something, now they do it to be someone.

Well, Mr. T said, "Be somebody or be somebody's foo'!"

 

[Captaindemotion]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...norths-loathing-of-the-iron-lady-6287789.html

Interesting article here. The movie is doing well in the South of England and badly in the North, as one might expect. However, its second biggest opening (London being the biggest) was Glasgow and, oh, the shame, it's doing well in Ireland.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...norths-loathing-of-the-iron-lady-6287789.html

Interesting article here. The movie is doing well in the South of England and badly in the North, as one might expect. However, its second biggest opening (London being the biggest) was Glasgow and, oh, the shame, it's doing well in Ireland.

After that it's Yorkshire, but expected the "Upmarket" parts of Yorkshire, like York, not the shit holes like Hull, Sheffield, Doncaster...

 

[ITL]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...norths-loathing-of-the-iron-lady-6287789.html

Interesting article here. The movie is doing well in the South of England and badly in the North, as one might expect. However, its second biggest opening (London being the biggest) was Glasgow and, oh, the shame, it's doing well in Ireland.

After that it's Yorkshire, but expected the "Upmarket" parts of Yorkshire, like York, not the shit holes like Hull, Sheffield, Doncaster...

HEY!

Ah, who am I kidding?.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...norths-loathing-of-the-iron-lady-6287789.html

Interesting article here. The movie is doing well in the South of England and badly in the North, as one might expect. However, its second biggest opening (London being the biggest) was Glasgow and, oh, the shame, it's doing well in Ireland.

After that it's Yorkshire, but expected the "Upmarket" parts of Yorkshire, like York, not the shit holes like Hull, Sheffield, Doncaster...

HEY!

Ah, who am I kidding?.

Thought it was funny that York was upmarket, does upmarket mean full of snooty bastards now?

 

[the G-man]

... its second biggest opening (London being the biggest) was Glasgow...

Can't be. The OP has INSISTED that not a single person in Scotland has anything good to say about Thatcher.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

^You can see a film without holding a high opinion of the subject. Fer'instance, Senna, I don't like F1, but it was a fantastic film.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

And Downfall was an awesome film even though I'm not crazy about Hitler.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

In this case though, having seen it, The Iron Lady is shite.

 

[the G-man]

^You can see a film without holding a high opinion of the subject....

The OP and you both started this thread with the premise that no one in Scotland would see the movie because it wasn't sufficiently anti-Thatcher. Now you're arguing that people are seeing it anyway.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Yeah, but I also saw the film myself. I'm a hypocrite and joined in on some hyperbole. The film is lightweight, as a drama about an elderly lady suffering dementia it's not at all frank enough, as a political drama it's flimsy and washes over just about everything so you barely even get surface detail, as a Biopic you barely get a minimal amount of life story. It's distasteful having the film be done in the way it is while she's still alive and the best bits in it are Jim Broadbent and Olivia Coleman.

 

[Starkers]

Yeah does sound like Cameron was right. I think there will be a time when a proper (and hopefully balanced) biopic will be done but not while she's still alive. Also given my mum has dementia I'm not entirely sure I want to see it purely from that angle, though my GF had initially said she wanted to see it this weekend before changing her mind so I proably would have gone.

 

[Deckerd]

The feedback I've been hearing is that people over-50, especially women, thought it would be a biopic about a mighty political war horse but it turned out to be about a demented old lady.

 

[Bob The Skutter]

Yeah does sound like Cameron was right. I think there will be a time when a proper (and hopefully balanced) biopic will be done but not while she's still alive. Also given my mum has dementia I'm not entirely sure I want to see it purely from that angle, though my GF had initially said she wanted to see it this weekend before changing her mind so I proably would have gone.

The dementia is basically handled as her hallucinating Dennis and occasionally thinking Mark is downstairs or she's still prime minister, with it mostly being Dennis making her laugh or acting silly. With that being a framing device for her memories.

 

[Kegg]

oh, the shame, it's doing well in Ireland.

I know a lot of people who've seen this. They've either seen/are going to see Iron Lady and/or The Artist or both, and I'm not sure why that otherwise entirely arbitrary combination is so common. That they generally prefer The Artist is more couched in the notion of it having a better story than anything political.

I passed on Iron Lady because of middling reviews, personally. If I'd been told it was a stronger film i might have considered it, as Oscar bait British dramas can be fairly tolerable (hello, King's Speech, no you were not a complete waste of my time).

 

[Goliath]

I know a lot of people who've seen this. They've either seen/are going to see Iron Lady and/or The Artist or both, and I'm not sure why that otherwise entirely arbitrary combination is so common.

It might simply be because The Iron Lady has Meryl Streep.

The Iron Lady is playing at my local Cineplex. The Artist isn't.