Invasion! Question
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^Redbay was a character from the TNG installment, The Soldiers of Fear. At the end of that book, he took a shuttle through the Furies' wormhole and back to their point of origin -- which the VGR book revealed to be in the Delta Quadrant.
Although the timing is a little off, since the TNG book is before Generations (set on the E-D) while the VGR book is after "Learning Curve," which would be several months later. The Final Fury also seems to give conflicting information on whether Redbay has just arrived or been there for some time.
Although the timing is a little off, since the TNG book is before Generations (set on the E-D) while the VGR book is after "Learning Curve," which would be several months later. The Final Fury also seems to give conflicting information on whether Redbay has just arrived or been there for some time.
I've always gone by stardates in placing Generations, which puts it several months after "Caretaker." To me, Invasion! always confirmed that that order was correct -- "Caretaker" then Generations a few months later.
Even going by stardates, GEN is 48632.4 and "Learning Curve" is 48846.5, which is about a two and a half month gap. So Redbay would've still had to be in the DQ at least that long before The Final Fury, unless the wormhole had a temporal differential.
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for information about where and when the events in "The Final Fury" took place.
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http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/timeline.html
for information about where and when the events in "The Final Fury" took place.
A map is available here:
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Park/1964/maps.html
The pages are parts of my Kes website.
As far as I'm aware, the only time that anything from the novels explicitly made its way to the TV series (aside from elements of Jeri Taylor's novels, which would make sense) is the Voyager episode Day Of Honor being titled based on the book series. But even then, the concept is totally different from what's presented in the books.
And just based on percentages, I can see why TV writers wouldn't have been wanting/trying to get ideas from the books; the books were seen by a MUCH smaller audience.
And either way, I'm pretty sure the Furies would've been intensely expensive to create; they aren't exactly your simple forehead monsters.
But all that said, yeah, it would've been cool to see them on screen in some way. It's just a pretty unrealistic idea, for a lot of reasons
Probably my favorite part of the whole series was the depiction of the Klingons, particularly in the first book. They actually seemed 'real' there. I suspect that these Klingons might have actually been QuchHa' (i.e. TOS Klingons) but whatever kind they were, I liked them.
I also loved that one bit in the VOY book - I think that's the one - where a Fury's speaking voice is described (after the Universal Translator renders it) as an "odd, rumbling twang, like a moose from Texas".
I also loved that one bit in the VOY book - I think that's the one - where a Fury's speaking voice is described (after the Universal Translator renders it) as an "odd, rumbling twang, like a moose from Texas".
As far as I'm aware, the only time that anything from the novels explicitly made its way to the TV series (aside from elements of Jeri Taylor's novels, which would make sense) is the Voyager episode Day Of Honor being titled based on the book series. But even then, the concept is totally different from what's presented in the books.
And just based on percentages, I can see why TV writers wouldn't have been wanting/trying to get ideas from the books; the books were seen by a MUCH smaller audience.
And either way, I'm pretty sure the Furies would've been intensely expensive to create; they aren't exactly your simple forehead monsters.
But all that said, yeah, it would've been cool to see them on screen in some way. It's just a pretty unrealistic idea, for a lot of reasons
I can see the problems with the costs when it comes to creating the Furies. But what about animation? That could have worked.
The book "Day Of Honor-Her Klingon Soul" by Michael Jan Friedman is another masterpiece which would have been great as a TV episode. Much better than the rather lame season 4 TV episode with the same name which was also written by Michael Jan Friedman.
Huh? Jeri Taylor wrote the TV episode of that name. MJF only did the original VOY novel, and the novelization of Taylor's TV episode, which the novel-crossover mini-series inspired.
Memory Alpha quotes Voyages of Imagination: 'This episode was the first to tie directly into a concept first pioneered by the novels, in this case the Day of Honor. Then-editor John Ordover explained that when developing the Star Trek: Day of Honor miniseries, he contacted Jeri Taylor and told her about the miniseries, explaining the Day of Honor as "this Klingon holiday...which is kind of like the Jewish Yom Kippur, where you take the measure of your honor for the past year." The episode was later novelized as part of the series.'
I stand corrected here. It was Taylor who wrote the TV episode. I must have mixed it all up in some way.
Anyway, the book is much better.
I was actually hoping that you were right. I enjoy the 'Day of Honor' episode of Voyager a great deal; the 4th Season is one of my favorites, and I would have liked to have found an episode or book by Michael Jan Friedman that I enjoyed - as I know he has a lot of fans, but I've only enjoyed 1 of his books, despite reading the majority of what he's written for Trek. So...I was like: "Oh, he wrote that!?! Awesome!" lol. Oh well. It just wasn't meant to be.
I know he has a lot of fans, but I've only enjoyed 1 of his books, despite reading the majority of what he's written for Trek. So...I was like: "Oh, he wrote that!?! Awesome!" lol. Oh well. It just wasn't meant to be.
He did write the novelization.
Also, have you tried "Double, Double"?
I know he has a lot of fans, but I've only enjoyed 1 of his books, despite reading the majority of what he's written for Trek. So...I was like: "Oh, he wrote that!?! Awesome!" lol. Oh well. It just wasn't meant to be.
He did write the novelization.
But the novelization isn't really a novelization - is it? It's a different story than the episode. I skipped this series of books as the Klingons (unless written by KRAD) tend to annoy me.
I have not. I've enjoyed the majority of the Classic Trek novels that I've read (I didn't care for the Gateways entry ["One Small Step"]; I loved the Section 31 volume ["Cloak"]) - but when all is said and done, I've really not read that many classic Trek books. I think it's simply because I'm more attracted to continuing stories like the DS9 Relaunch and New Frontier - and now Next Gen, Voyager and such. I like long sprawling works that make me invest in them. But the book you mention at least sounds interesting; I looked it up on Amazon. The one book that I did adore by MJF was the novelization of "All Good Things..." which was so filled to the brim with in-jokes and continuity that it made the actual episode pale by comparison.
There are two MJF novels called "Day of Honor". The first is "Day of Honor: Voyager: Her Klingon Soul", an original novel featuring B'Elanna, and part of the book mini-series. The second is "Day of Honor: The Television Episode", a faithful novelization of Jeri Taylor's VOY episode, also featuring B'Elanna.
It's a sequel to "What Are Little Girls Made Of?", the episode, so there are plenty of trivia references if you want long and sprawling.
Hmmmm. I was unaware.
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