Into Darkness- Confusing Line

[Vger23]

I've always wondered what the line in "Into Darkness" meant when Kirk is trying to convince Marcus to let him pursue Harrison into Klingon space...and he says "Starfleet can't go after him but I can."

When I first saw the movie, I thought this was going to be some scheme they would throw together based on Kirk's earlier insubordination etc...where they would basically "drum him out of starfleet" and therefore his actions on Kronos would be his and not tied to the Federation. But, this wasn't the case.

Any thoughts on what this meant (aside from the ever-brilliant comments like "it was sh!t writing" or something to that effect)?

 

[F. King Daniel]

"The rules are for other people!" Pike says early in the film.

The typical Starfleet guy wouldn't go. But Kirk would.

 

[The Wormhole]

Perhaps a reference to Mudd's ship being on the Enterprise, thereby providing an away team cover for going to Qo'nos that wouldn't be directly pinned to Starfleet?

 

[Kor]

Starfleet couldn't launch an officially-sanctioned mission, but Kirk could go in on the down-low.

Kor

 

[Khan 2.0]

cuz hiz Kirk

 

[ISS Enterprise]

Lazily written portion on movie

So a race of warriors who conquered two planets that Marcus knew of has zero defense around their home world so much so that a pos ship can just fly to it. Sure the "patrol" or whatever discovered them, BUT in TOS TNG DS9 ETC. As soon as a ship crossed into their space it was detected relatively quickly for most part

Anyways.... Marcus wsnted them discovered destroyed n ensuing war otherwise Vengeance could've done all that

 

[Paradise City]

I think NuKirk is a derivative of Kirk in the popular imagination rather than the Kirk depicted in prime TV/movies.

Oh sure, Kirk breaks the rules and goes maverick alot in the prime stuff but he doesn't imagine himself as the exceptional rule bustin' maverick that Kirk seems to imagine himself to be with that line of his.

 

[Timo]

Indeed. And Kirk flew in under the assumption that he'd get away scot free thanks to his long range sniper-torps (a close examination of computer displays reveals they even had extra stealth built in, cloaking devices and all) - but also with the knowledge that such sniping was highly illegal and no Starfleet skipper should be caught doing so.

Hence the line: Kirk is the guy ready to break rules, and Marcus has provided him with the means to get away with it. Although Kirk soon finds alternate means of his own. Just like pretty much every other Trek hero did: Picard went to Romulus, Sisko to the Klingon Pentagon, Archer to the heart of the Xindi war machine, Janeway into the Borg Collective. Waltzing into the enemy capital is a breeze in Trek. (Also in the reverse: the villains always manage to infiltrate Earth.)

Of course Marcus wanted it all to fail, and to fail spectacularly. But sabotaging Kirk's warp core is an odd way to do so: it happens way too early to serve Marcus' plot. Perhaps the Admiral's countdown timer failed?

Or was the sabotage interactive and intelligent, and Marcus' destructive AI overheard Kirk saying that there would be no sniping, and thus decided that stranding Kirk there and then should suffice? Why didn't the AI then alert the Klingons, though?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Hence the line: Kirk is the guy ready to break rules, and Marcus has provided him with the means to get away with it.

Either they can't (nowhere near, not under the Starfleet banner) or they won't (don't want to step on toes, violate their own personal codes, etc).