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Inter Arma - What were Ross and Sloan really up to?

^Indeed, Odo himself constantly complained about how the authorities--particularly Starfleet Security--refused to allow him to impliment the security reforms necessary to protect the station. Their excuse? "They go against our values and principles!"

Of course, Starfleet put the blame for all those problems on him, and sent over Eddington. And we all know how that turned out....
 
Leave it to Starfleet to put a Maquis sympathizer in a truly important position on one of the most strategically important posts in the Alpha Quadrant. :p
 
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It's not like he made his feelings known 'til after he phasered Kira & left the station.

Besides, the commander of the most strategically important space station in the Alpha Quadrant was boinkin' a Maquis sympathizer. If he couldn't figure her allegiances out, how could he have known Eddington's?
 
To be frank, any sarcasm-based/satirical joke can be defused, if a literalist procceeds to verbally take it...literally.
 
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od0_ital said:
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It's not like he made his feelings known 'til after he phasered Kira & left the station.

Besides, the commander of the most strategically important space station in the Alpha Quadrant was boinkin' a Maquis sympathizer. If he couldn't figure her allegiances out, how could he have known Eddington's?
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Should have employed a Betazoid to vet all his conquests.
 
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They should have made Betazoids part of the Founder screenin' program. There's a reason the Dominion conquered the mindreaders, and it wasn't to get ahold of Lwaxanna's holy rings!
 
^ Perhaps Founders are so adept at mimicking human form that they can actually be read by Betazoids. If scanners can't detect a Founder, maybe a Betazoid can't either.
 
We do know that if you scan a Founder when he/she is a rock, you'll detect a rock. But, if they were to fool a Betazoid, or other mindreader, they would have to perfectly mimic their target's brainwaves and thoughts. I would think the only way to do that would be to completely submerge him/herself into the target, losing all traces of Changling identity, which clearly isn't what they do. In fact, that would be counter-productive, as the Founder would then forget what he/she was supposed to do while in this particular humanoid form.
 
They probably can't read them, since there's no "brain" as such. Who knows how a gelatinous race would think, but if they have trouble reading the Ferengi, I imagine a Founder would be tricky.

Unless by that logic you get a Betazoid to check everyone for an absence of thought... The bottom line is the Founders were really, really smart, and didn't easily get caught.
 
But then they'd think Rom is a Founder!

I guess it's good for the show that they didn't have any Betazoids onscreen to bring up this dilemma.
 
Also, maybe there just aren't that many Betazoids to go around? Did we ever see one in Starfleet, aside from empathic Troi?
 
Rush Limborg said:
:shrug:I dunno. Some things are just wierd coincidence.

Here's an example: Sorrows Of Empire, with Mirror Spock's coldly logical plan to bring about the destruction of the Terran Empire...in order to bring it back all the better. He looks like a crazy destroyer...but in fact he is the greatest of liberators.

When I first heard of this, one thought entered my mind.

"Who is John Galt?"

David Mack swears he did not base his book on that book in any way. I believe him.

Coincidences happen.
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Where as when I read it, it was like the Foundation novels, and Mack mentioned something about that being about right.
 
Admiral Shran said:
We do know that if you scan a Founder when he/she is a rock, you'll detect a rock. But, if they were to fool a Betazoid, or other mindreader, they would have to perfectly mimic their target's brainwaves and thoughts.
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Well, sort of. Unless a Founder runs into a Betazoid who knows personally the individual whom the Founder is replacing, they don't have to mimic their *target's* thoughts, just *any* thoughts. A Betazoid will expect to be able to read most humanoids' minds, but unless they know the person closely, they're not going to be able to tell that it's not them just by that means.

To put it another way: If Lwaxana Troi, for example, encounters a Founder who is pretending to be somebody she doesn't already know, she won't know the difference - all that matters is that she can pick up any kind of thoughts from what she thinks is the species of this person. But if the Founder is impersonating somebody she *does* know, like Picard, *that's* when there'll be problems, since then she'll be familiar with the thought processes of the target, and in that case, it'd be hard or impossible to imitate that.
 
I don't know. In TNG: Manhunt, Lwaxana meets two aliens for the first time and instantly knows exactly what they are planning.

What I'm saying is that a Changling would have to completely submerge their thoughts about their plans and intentions in order to pass a mind scan from a telepath. Even a passing thought about blowing up DS9 would be enough to alert a Betazoid.
 
Ya use phasers for the rocks, potted plants, and office furniture.

But ya walk a Betazed around and any humanoid that they can't get a read off of, well, that's the bastard ya haul in to examine a little closer.
 
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