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Inspired Enterprise -- new behind-the-scenes book about TOS

Maybe a little sappy, but the timeline fits; and why else rename the shuttlecraft out of the blue three years after it was destroyed? It's nice to give it meaning and a backstory in my head-canon. :)
My head-canon is a lot simpler when it comes to shuttlecraft: They are not commissioned vessels and whatever name they carry is unofficial, meaning you can slap the name 'Galileo' on as many replacement shuttlecraft as you want.

My analogy for this is US Navy ship's boats, which do have a unique identifier similar to an aircraft's tail number*, but are always painted with markings reflecting the ship they are currently assigned to.
And if one were damaged in a way that the ship's crew couldn't repair—as was the case once in 1983 :D —it was replaced with another which was subsequently painted the same as the first.

*(embedded in the hull, the format was boat length, type of boat, fiscal year of purchase contract, unit number. So 26MW7322 would be the 22nd twenty-six foot Motor Whaleboat authorized by the 1973 purchase contract)
 
I really doubt the bridge turbolift was moved around, mostly because the (vast?) majority of bridge scenes, excluding brief inserts like those showing Kirk/Spock/Scotty/Sulu/Uhura communicating with someone off the ship, involve someone entering or leaving. I bet that remained in place, and the cool TMOST pic supports that. I guess they had two in the corridor complex and at least one of them had wild walls.

Except, as I think I mentioned, all the scenes on a given set are shot together in one block. So they'd shoot all the bridge scenes in an episode over the course of maybe 2-3 days, then they'd move all the lights and cameras and sound gear and everything over to the next set and shoot all the scenes there the following day, and so on. So there's no reason they couldn't have struck the turbolift from the bridge set when they were done there and moved it over to the corridor set along with all the other equipment they moved to prepare for the scenes taking place there. After all, once they were done shooting on the bridge, they wouldn't need to go back there until the next episode. (Even if they needed to do reshoots, they'd probably tack them onto the next episode's shooting schedule so they could take advantage of the bridge setup already in place.)


I love the Burke chairs so much that I really hope they didn't drag them around the set. I like to think they had about 50 total and left them largely in place.

Huh? Those are pretty small, lightweight chairs -- 16.48 pounds without the raised backs, according to the Internet. They obviously would've needed to move them around a lot on the bridge and briefing room sets just to get them out of the cameras' way when they changed angles, or when they redressed the briefing room to represent a different location.

It's the nature of set pieces and furnishings that they get moved around routinely. As I mentioned, even the helm console and command chair on the bridge were sometimes rotated around to fake a different camera angle without changing the lighting setup, or moved out of the way so that the camera could occupy the lower deck to get a close angle on one of the side stations. I can't imagine why you think it's bad or difficult for set furnishings to get moved frequently. They're designed that way. Most TV and movie sets are very flimsy, their solidity an illusion.
 
After all, once they were done shooting on the bridge, they wouldn't need to go back there until the next episode. (Even if they needed to do reshoots, they'd probably tack them onto the next episode's shooting schedule so they could take advantage of the bridge setup already in place.)
That's the exception, not the rule (see reshoots for "The Naked Time" as such an exception, and that was 6 weeks after that episode wrapped), because the directors switch and you're eating into their episode's time/budget. Generally, if you need a pickup, you'd go back and relight the set and shoot before you wrap production. The big issue is that crew moves take time and you easily get into overtime if you have to go back and redo setups you hadn't scheduled.
 
It's not very accurate. For instance, the 4" model was never used on screen.
Huh? The linked article referred to the metallic E that Sylvia creates in "Catspaw" as the 4" model:

Which was also used in these kind of shots with the Doomsday Machine:

 
That's the exception, not the rule (see reshoots for "The Naked Time" as such an exception, and that was 6 weeks after that episode wrapped), because the directors switch and you're eating into their episode's time/budget. Generally, if you need a pickup, you'd go back and relight the set and shoot before you wrap production. The big issue is that crew moves take time and you easily get into overtime if you have to go back and redo setups you hadn't scheduled.

Okay, I wasn't sure about that last sentence and should've just left it off. The point is that it's an exception, and the normal practice is that you wouldn't go back and forth between the bridge and other sets, so there'd be no need to leave the turbolift in place. They might have had two lifts, as I said, but they wouldn't have needed to.
 
They might have had two lifts, as I said, but they wouldn't have needed to.
They wouldn't have strictly needed 8 or more communicators, even more phasers, two Gorn suits ... but we know they had them nevertheless. A theoretically possible minimum doesn't generally make the best argument for likelihood, because cost-to-make is not the only factor. What's likely is whatever represented the best compromise in the classic triangle of time, expense, and quality. Obviously such an analysis entails many things, including tradeoffs like cost to produce extra copies vs. cost to move things around for three years. I don't know the answer, but I'm pretty sure it is not automatically "the absolute minimum number that could have physically worked."

Now, you could be right; it does seem like just one could have been technically sufficient, if unwieldy. But instinct/gut/common sense tells me that having a second lift over in the corridor complex would have been better overall than moving one back and forth every week for three years. And if it had been just one, then I can't explain the two different floor colors: surely they would have brought the blue carpet swatch with them when they moved it.

Is the ep where Kirk is supposedly exiting a lift but really coming out of the briefing room side door "Wink of An Eye"? Where Spock meets Kirk on the way to Environmental Engineering and does the cool phaser and communicator handoff?
Yes! Thank you. The lift is more of a room than a prop, but now I can't not think of this as the "dummy lift." (It does have one accidental advantage over what I now imagine to be the "midgrade lift": the dummy has the right carpet color.) Can we take this scene as one data point in favor of the production wanting to avoid the time and expense of moving turbolifts around? :D

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I like to think they had about 50 [Burkes] and left them largely in place. I'd love any knowledge about that if anyone has some they want to drop.
Same here. It's kind of a trivial question, but it pokes at me.
 
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They wouldn't have strictly needed 8 or more communicators, even more phasers, two Gorn suits ... but we know they had them nevertheless.

Is it really necessary to keep debating this? I'm not taking one side or the other, merely pointing out that both possibilities exist and we can't know which one is correct without evidence.

So the question is, is there evidence? Does a close examination of the turbolift scenes in TOS reveal any physical differences, e.g. the floor-display panel being a different distance from the wall seams or the handles having subtly different dimensions in different scenes of the same episode? If such differences can be observed, it would confirm that there was more than one turbolift. If they can't, it would suggest that there was only one, or else that the builders did a really good job building two identical ones.


Now, you could be right; it does seem like just one could have been technically sufficient, if unwieldy. But instinct/gut/common sense tells me that having a second lift over in the corridor complex would have been better overall than moving one back and forth every week for three years.

That's certainly true, if they had the budget for it, but TOS was a show that had to economize like crazy. It had to make a deal with AMT to build the shuttlecraft and the Klingon battlecruiser in exchange for the model kit rights, and it had to pass off Wah Chang's props as study models so they didn't have to pay full price for them. Given that, it's plausible -- not necessary, but plausible -- that they might have needed to economize by not having duplicate lifts.

And I still think you're grossly overstating the difficulty of moving the turbolift walls around when stagehands carry much heavier things around as a routine part of their job. I mean, it's not an actual working elevator, it's just a few sheets of wood. I doubt there was even an actual floor or ceiling. As I've mentioned, they had to remove walls when they shot a scene from the side, and any scene looking toward the rear of the lift would've required moving the lift set away from the doors so they could fit the camera in. So it is a given that at least one lift set was routinely moved, and was designed to be easily moved.


And if it had been just one, then I can't explain the two different floor colors: surely they would have brought the blue carpet swatch with them when they moved it.

Probably the reason there are two different floor colors was because it was just a few wall panels that they put down on the existing flooring. There are plenty of older shows where, if you look closely at an "elevator" set, you can see that its floor is just a continuation of the stage floor, with no seam like a real elevator would have. It's just a few walls stuck together.


The lift is more of a room than a prop

Which is exactly my point. A prop is generally a single intact object (though there are props, like the modern TARDIS exterior, that are designed to be broken down and reassembled for easy transport). But a room within a TV/movie set is just a few flimsy walls that are usually designed to be removable to make room for cameras and lights.


Can we take this scene as one data point in favor of the production wanting to avoid the time and expense of moving turbolifts around?

Again: Moving things around is a constant, routine part of TV production. When moving from a bridge shoot to a corridor shoot, they'd have to move the big heavy 1960s cameras, the big heavy 1960s stage lights, the microphones and sound equipment, all the electrical cables for the above, the ladders to help them set up the overhead lights, the chairs for the cast and crew to sit in, etc., even aside from whatever corridor walls they'd have to add or remove to accommodate the camera setups they needed. Moving the 6-9 lightweight wall panels of a turbolift set would be a trivial addition to all that.
 

There were 2 different 4 inch models. The first prototype was cardboard and balsa and is the one alleged to be used in the pilot. This is likely the one that flipped over upside down on the string and Jefferies had to convince Roddenberry not to approve the ship in that configuration (reminiscent of the the Reliant incident later). The second was machined metal and was used in Catspaw and the Doomsday Machine.
 
It's perhaps worth mentioning that productions typically make a minimum of two of every costume and prop because if one gets damaged, you can switch to the other while the first is being repaired without having a prolonged shutdown, which is $$$.
 
Is it really necessary to keep debating this?
It's not "really necessary" to have this thread or even this entire forum. We're here because we like to talk about Star Trek, and we like to obsess over production details. Debate is a means of testing theories against each other and revising our own ideas when better ones come along. I like having that opportunity; if I'm wrong about something, I don't want to keep being wrong about it.

I'm a little perplexed that you don't want this particular debate to continue, and you say you haven't taken a side, yet you introduce new statements for "your side" that seem to require a response. Like this one:

Probably the reason there are two different floor colors was because it was just a few wall panels that they put down on the existing flooring. There are plenty of older shows where, if you look closely at an "elevator" set, you can see that its floor is just a continuation of the stage floor, with no seam like a real elevator would have.
The green carpet in the corridor turbolift(s) is certainly not a continuation of either the stage floor or the grey corridor carpeting. (Although, to be fair, my father was colorblind and he might have thought so; greens were difficult for him.)
 
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