I'm trying to keep it clean, JES... And I have recently seen those links you showed. Some actually reminded me of FASA's Northampton- the way the nacelles jut out. One of my fav ships. I'm changing the class name to Ottawa. My favorite city and home to my employer, His Majesty Harper. Here's just a wee image of what I'm working on. All those blasted windows. The one inset window is also part for show. I included a turbolift docking port, which has always made sense to have... I'm not a huge fan of the inset windows, but the E-D had a few tastefully in place, so I'll do the same.