Inner Turbolift doors?

[MarsWeeps]

I swear I have a memory of this from an episode of TOS but I can't remember which one.

There was a several second shot on the bridge with the red turbolift doors in the background. The red doors were either in the process of opening or closing, I can't remember but it also showed another set of doors behind them that were in the closed position. I think they were gray colored. It was like an inner set of doors on the turbolift just like modern day elevators have 2 sets of doors.

Can anyone remember this episode? I'm guessing it was probably early in the series.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think it was "Where No Man Has Gone Before"

 

[GSchnitzer]

WNMHGB has a single set of turbo-lift doors.

The shot you probably remember is of Kirk and Captain Christopher getting into the turbo-lift to go up to the bridge from the Transporter Room in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday." (Christopher still wears his flight suit.) Clearly a set if inner doors that open and close independently of the outer doors.

 

[Green Shirt]

Corbomite Maneuver is the episode you're thinking of. As Kirk is standing next to the helm getting reports, the doors open and close in the background. However, when the doors close, the outer red doors stay open and the inner blue doors close. During the early episodes, there were a few instances where they tried for "door realism". They soon dropped the idea, probably due to the difficulty of the effect and the time it probably wasted setting it up.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Corbomite Manuever is the episode you're thinking of. As Kirk is standing next to the helm getting reports, the doors open and close in the background. However, when the doors close, the outer red doors stay open and the inner blue doors close. During the early episodes, there were a few instances where they tried for "door realism". They soon dropped the idea, probably due to the difficulty of the effect and the time it probably wasted setting it up.

I never noticed that shot and now I'll have to look for it.

I think there's also a shot in Corbomite of Kirk in the turbolift, and as he enters the bridge, you can see the inner doors opening a little before the outer (red) ones.

 

[Green Shirt]

I never noticed that shot and now I'll have to look for it.

It happens just as Sulu finishes giving Kirk the report on the cube's dimensions.

 

[MarsWeeps]

I think it was "Where No Man Has Gone Before"

The shot you probably remember is of Kirk and Captain Christopher getting into the turbo-lift to go up to the bridge from the Transporter Room in "Tomorrow Is Yesterday."

Corbomite Manuever is the episode you're thinking of.

I'm glad that someone else remembered it. I checked out screencaps on TrekCore for the above episodes and could not find anything definitive. It does gives me a good reason to go back and watch these episodes and see if I can find exactly where and how many times the inner doors appear.

 

[GSchnitzer]

Shot of both the red doors and the gray inner doors from "Tomorrow is Yesterday:"

Doors opening in "The Corbomite Maneuver:"

 

[MarsWeeps]

^Cool!....I definitely remember that shot from The Corbomite Maneuver. I think I also remember one from the outside of the turbolift but I'll have to re-watch that episode to verify.

 

[Melakon]

Did they ever put a black line on the floor to suggest that the turbocar is not using the same floor as the rest of the set?

 

[GSchnitzer]

^Cool!....that's one! I'm checking YouTube but haven't found the full episode of The Corbomite Maneuver. I'll have to check Netflix or dig out my old DVD's.

It's at the 7:05 mark of "Corbomite..."on Netflix.

The "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" shot is at the 9:30 mark.

FWIW, the last shot I've been able to find of two sets of turbo-lift doors moving independently is in "Is There In Truth No Beauty," when Crazy Larry Marvick exits the turbo-lift to go to Engineering to commandeer the ship. That's early Third Season, of course. (It's at the 18:30 mark.)

 

[MarsWeeps]

^Cool!....that's one! I'm checking YouTube but haven't found the full episode of The Corbomite Maneuver. I'll have to check Netflix or dig out my old DVD's.

It's at the 7:05 mark on Netflix.

FWIW, the last shot I've been able to find of two sets of turbo-lift doors moving independently is in "Is There In Truth No Beauty," when Crazy Larry Marvick exits the turbo-lift to go to Engineering to commandeer the ship. That's early Third Season, of course.

Wow...didn't realize they were still visible in the third season. I may have a new project - re-watch all of TOS and document each instance of the inner doors.

 

[ZapBrannigan]

Hey Greg, did you guys build inner lift doors for your Phase II films?

 

[MarsWeeps]

Corbomite Maneuver is the episode you're thinking of. As Kirk is standing next to the helm getting reports, the doors open and close in the background.

I found the additional shot in The Corbomite Maneuver. A crewman exits the turbolift and the gray inner doors start closing before the outer red doors. It starts at around the 7:46 mark on Netflix.

 

[GSchnitzer]

Hey Greg, did you guys build inner lift doors for your Phase II films?

No. But James has been on a kick to make our sets the bestest and most accurate-est sets of any fan-film I know the slightest inaccuracy on other production's sets is worthy of comment; I presume he feels the same about ours. I wouldn't be surprised if we enhance our sets at some point.

On a related issue, I've been lobbying for adding the second "animated version" auxiliary entrance onto the bridge--not because I think it's great, but because it will simply be a differentiator between us and other shows, and will get people talking about us. Whether people like it or hate it, they'll talk about it.

 

[MarsWeeps]

On a related issue, I've been lobbying for adding the second "animated version" auxiliary entrance onto the bridge

I remember the door....was it another turbolift or was it just and entrance/exit to the outer ring of the bridge? (which makes more sense.)

 

[plynch]

Yes. A logical upgrade in-universe. Opens up blocking and story possibilities, too. Best wishes.

 

[Timo]

Did they ever put a black line on the floor to suggest that the turbocar is not using the same floor as the rest of the set?

There's a suitable seam there in the from-above corridor shot of "Where No Man". One might assume (even if possibly counter to on-set reality) that the bridge floor is similarly "two-piece". I mean, wouldn't the carpentry in fact call for the floor to be built out of pieces like that?

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd032.jpg

And don't shots like these suggest a color difference, a seam, or at least a well-applied lights and shadows at the edge?

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/1x03hd/wherenomanhasgonebeforehd039.jpg

I remember the door....was it another turbolift or was it just and entrance/exit to the outer ring of the bridge?

I have the gut feeling we never saw it in any sort of use.

(Then there's the "Relics" bit where our heroes enter the simulated bridge from a location that might correspond to the second door. But waltzing into the holodeck doesn't require a simulated door...)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Melakon]

Did they ever put a black line on the floor to suggest that the turbocar is not using the same floor as the rest of the set?

There's a suitable seam there in the from-above corridor shot of "Where No Man".

OK, thanks. I have extremely poor eyesight, a 23 year old TV, and so I may have missed it. I'm 4 fingers away from the monitor right now just to read this.

 

[Lance]

I remember the door....was it another turbolift or was it just and entrance/exit to the outer ring of the bridge?

I have the gut feeling we never saw it in any sort of use.

Timo Saloniemi

We were discussing this over in the 'Trek Tech' forum just the other day... there are a few shots where the secondary doors are definitely seen open (a typical Filmation plate error), but it is possible we never actually saw anyone use them.